Spanner Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Has anyone got one of these,just bought it and waiting for it to arrive http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282147155064?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Edited August 27, 2016 by Spanner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) This is a new SIO2PC/10502PC design by Atari8Wares "Ray". It is the same compo device he used to make and sells except that he is using a modified "improved" TavvvaSIO - ATARI SIO Connector Replacement . Actually, he did a very nice job, since getting SIO caples/Plugs becomes scarce (highly prices) and eventually, a monopoly-like business. It looks as he discontinued selling of the new product through eBay. He sells them through his website. (~ $ 34.00). Just to mention it, there is another source for Alternative SIO plugs (as PCB only). Find it here at http://dirtypcbs.com/, I wonder if the new plug for the dual SIO2PC/10502PC is safe?. I mean, is it possible that one might insert this plug into the Atari computer/peripheral connector in flipped manar (upside down)? madi Edited August 27, 2016 by Madi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Looks like a nice device. His talents are the opposite of his personality. No worries, I've been called an a$$hole more times than I care to remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 That device looks awesome. Coincidentally I finally got around to trying to setup my 10502PC - although, quickly came to realize it requires a usb type b connector...I used to have a couple of those, but no longer since my move. cables are cheap enough $2 on ebay, but looks like I'll be waiting a few more days to try out the device. I would have much preferred the above device....looks awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNerd Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Like the simple design of the repladement connector. While it may not best represent or appeal to a more purist mindset, hoping to preserve or be able to reproduce original hardware as was presented "in the day", this is more practical and probably more reliable in certain aspects; by doing away with the harder to reproduce and finicky pin connector and going with a plain edge connector, instead. Though, I wonder, as Madi noted, if it is possible to accidently insert the connector incorrectly. I see by the way it uses the form of the outer plug shroud to secure itself in place, it might effectively prevent this.I wonder if some compromise might be developed. Create a simplified guide coupler / outer shroud around the new simpler edge connector design, that isn't integral to the I/O functions, , but would hold it in place and protect the connector, while looking sort of like the older plug. Probably something simple, like four guide posts, one in each corner, with a thin outer rib, that has the look of the outer molding of the original. Something printable. Eh, probably more effort than it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 That is a nice looking connector. I'd like it better if the contacts were concave from above, and would partially "wrap" around the pin. Any thoughts on how that might be accomplished? -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I liked the alternative SIO plug presented in this Website. The Atari male connectors are kept tight-in-place. This design can be further enhanced by soldering female crimp pins (the right size and dimensions) on top of the PCB copper traces. However, the SIO plug board thickness must be carefully calculated in order for the male connector pins to fit-in comfortably (on both sides of the board). This later modification will prevent any possible damage to Atari/peripheral or the device as the array connector pins of top and bottom never overlap (6 pins(up) vs 6 (down). The grooved SIO plug PCB The soldered female crimp pins (not accurate, just to show approximate positions) madi 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Yes, that's a very nice improvement, IMO. Fortunately I have lots of cables, so this isn't something that I need. Perhaps as time goes on and the supply dwindles, someone will make an "off-the-shelf" item for folks to buy and more easily use. Then finish it off with some injection molded plastic housings. Nice post, Madi! -Larry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greblus Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I understand that delivery time and shipping cost might probably be the issue here. If not, I'd use these ones from Lotharek's shop: http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=85 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I understand that delivery time and shipping cost might probably be the issue here. If not, I'd use these ones from Lotharek's shop: http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=85 I purchased these from Lotharek, and they are very nice.. BUT .. the pin fit in the the end is not great.. I am not sure what is wrong.. too tight a fit I think.. I have used 1 and it works.. but I am not happy how hard I had to jam the pins into it, and they do not splay open so there is a hard contact with the male pin.. in other words they are too tight in their little sockets. They should slide in without too much effort and snap when the tang engages... not so with these. James edit - the next one I make up.. I may use a dremel, shave the pin width a smidge.. and try that. Edited August 29, 2016 by Bikerbob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 This is My favorite.. http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=98 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 He should use a proper SIO connector. This thing is just an accident waiting to happen if someone plugs it upside-down. Also, I wouldn't want to risk bending the pins on my SIO port, or having a (data corrupting) loose connection if his board is too thick or thin. I would definitely avoid this device at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I purchased these from Lotharek, and they are very nice.. BUT .. the pin fit in the the end is not great.. I am not sure what is wrong.. too tight a fit I think.. I have used 1 and it works.. but I am not happy how hard I had to jam the pins into it, and they do not splay open so there is a hard contact with the male pin.. in other words they are too tight in their little sockets. They should slide in without too much effort and snap when the tang engages... not so with these. James edit - the next one I make up.. I may use a dremel, shave the pin width a smidge.. and try that. A tight fit means a good physical and electrical connection. Just plug it in carefully and straight, without wobbling it side to side and it will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Can the 10502PC mode of these be used with any other PC software but APE? Is there any way to use it on a Mac? (I have an older version with a normal plug but only used it as a SIO2PC so far.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Can the 10502PC mode of these be used with any other PC software but APE? Is there any way to use it on a Mac? (I have an older version with a normal plug but only used it as a SIO2PC so far.) APE can run in a virtual machine or through CrossOver/WINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I don't know whether it would work with A8warez's special dual mode adapter, but Nick Kennedy's SIO2PC software is supposed to also have a 1050-2-PC mode. http://pages.suddenlink.net/wa5bdu/sio2pc.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) Can the 10502PC mode of these be used with any other PC software but APE? Is there any way to use it on a Mac? (I have an older version with a normal plug but only used it as a SIO2PC so far.) If your device is SIO2PC/10502PC-Dual USB (the owner also makes SIO2PC-USB only devices) then use the ProSystem part of the trial version of APE (or for much better, buy the full version). The owner of the device have made extensive user guides/tutorials regarding the capabilities/limitations of his devices. The following is quotation from his website that illustrates step-by-step how to make disk images with ProSystem software (10502PC): 1. Download ProSystem Trial Version zip archive and extract it to a folder. 2. Make sure your 1050 is configured as D1:, and there is no SIO cable plugged to it. 3. Connect the SIO2PC/10502PC Dual-USB’s USB end to one of your USB connectors on your PC 4. If the drivers for the SIO2PC are not installed, you’ll need to install them now (you can find the drivers and installation guides here ) 5. After the drivers are installed, start the device manager and expand the PORTS section to find out which COM port is assigned to the SIO2PC/10502PC Dual-VCP, you need to use this port (COM1 – COM9) with ProSystem. 6. Plug the SIO2PC/10502PC Dual-USB device to one of the SIO ports on your 1050 and turn the drive ON. 7. Run ProSystem and go to menu item File/ProSystem Serial Port and select the correct COM port. 8. Wait until ProSystem scans the port(s) and finds the 1050. If the scan fails, and no drive is found, make sure the drive is turned ON, and disconnect the USB cable from the PC’s USB port, wait a few seconds, re-insert it, wait a few seconds, and rescan the bus using menu item Drive Control/Rescan Bus. If you ever have connection problems the above is the procedure you have to follow to reset the device. 9. When the drive is detected, the first drive icon on the ProSystem window will be highlighted while others will be dim. 10. You can then experiment with other Drive Control menu options, or you can directly start copying a floppy disk into a disk image. 11. For unprotected disks select menu item ATR Functions, for protected ones select PRO Functions 12. You can create an ATR from a real disk, and you can write an ATR back to a real disk, you can create a PRO disk image from a protected disk, but you cannot write a PRO_tected disk image back to a real disk. madi Edited September 3, 2016 by Madi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 If you flip the flat connector upside-down, Pin 3 can bridge pins 10 and 12 together. That's +5 and +12 volt power feeds. As I said. Avoid at any cost. Ignore any and all silly facebook or youtube videos. Consider the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Got mine yesterday and works fine thanks Ray,for make a great product,at a great price,but one thing Copy 2000 don't work,it reads one sector and thats it..?? Edited September 8, 2016 by Spanner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Got mine yesterday and works fine thanks Ray,for make a great product,at a great price,but one thing Copy 2000 don't work,it reads one sector and thats it..?? Gratz. may I ask you to flip the device and try to insert it into Atari SIO connector?. Of course, the the power to Atari or the peripheral should be unplugged first. It would be interesting to have some info with regards to pin interlacing/bridging. see the overlapping possibility depending on the width of the copper traces and how tight inserting the device plug inside the SIO connector. madi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) I think its a writing problem cos I tried to copy a atr to a disk using Dos 2.5 and the disk wouldn't work(boot),then I copied with Prosystem and that copied the disk fine..weird... ,yeah I have a look to see if the device is connecting properly in the back of the disk drive,Cas files load fine too. EDIT.. Its working now,thanks,the pins were not connecting properly,the usb cable was pulling it down,had to put the cable on my disk drive and hold it there with one of my joysticks,I might solder a SIO cable to it,like on Version 1. Can someone point me to the first version,I know it on here cos I came across it the other day but can't find it now.. Edited September 8, 2016 by Spanner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 He should use a proper SIO connector. This thing is just an accident waiting to happen if someone plugs it upside-down. especially when the display photo shows the connector plugged in with the word "DOWN" clearly facing upward....doubly confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) especially when the display photo shows the connector plugged in with the word "DOWN" clearly facing upward....doubly confusing. The down and Up directions were corrected. I posted the pictures just to show an alternative possibility for making an SIO plug. The following picture of an eagle board drowsing shows the correct layout (The plug board drowning is attached). It is obvious that bridging will occur if the plug is flipped unintentionally. But this is not the way Ray had followed in his design. Actually, he used copper traces with much less width. Therefore, may be he avoided the overlapping/bridging in case if his plug was flipped. Not sure. I am waiting for Spanner to confirm the possibility of pin overlapping when plugged is being flipped (for Ray device). madi SIOPlugAlternativo.rar Edited September 8, 2016 by Madi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 It looks like if you flip the device the pins go in between the connectors but I am not switching on to find out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It looks like if you flip the device the pins go in between the connectors but I am not switching on to find out.. lol I think you could insert the device plug partially (just the front tip) and see the arraignment of the connector pins and the copper tracers (take a photo) madi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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