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#1 scotty OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:25 PM

Thinking Ultimate, but price is a little high.  From what I understand, Uno Cart is a stripped down version that will just not run the larger AtariMax images, but ads a search function, not found on Ultimate?  Atarimax is also an option.  He is not that far from me (few miles).  

 

Basically, what I want to do this....  I already have SIO2PC and it works great, so I have no need for loading XEX or ATR files.  I want to be able to load CART images into ROM, not RAM of OSS, Bounty Bob, XEGS games, Basic, 8 and 16K game carts, BASIC etc, etc, etc....

 

I assume when using stuff like OSS products, and Atari Basic that you can also Boot a Dos image from the SIO2PC along with the cart, so you can load and save your work?


Edited by scotty, Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:29 PM.


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Posted Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:05 PM

I think the best option is The CART!, though I don't own one yet, I'm on the waiting list for the next release.

 

http://www.mega-hz.d...THE!CART_EN.htm



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Posted Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:05 PM

I assume when using stuff like OSS products, and Atari Basic that you can also Boot a Dos image from the SIO2PC along with the cart, so you can load and save your work?

 

 

Yes. For all intents and purposes, the UNO looks just like the actual cartridge for the .car file it presents to the host Atari system. If the cartridge can boot DOS and use it, so can the UNO version of it. 



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Posted Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:21 PM

I love my Ultimate!

 

Edit: Why?  Because it is the most flexible, it truly is the ultimate (as of now).


Edited by Kyle22, Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:23 PM.


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Posted Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:52 PM

Has anyone listed the unique features of each cart system - and also the common features they have?  And what machine they are most suitable for?  With their prices.

 

For many I guess - you're stuck with the cart system you opted for - and it's only 5 or 10 years later on - then you may decide to get the latest -

which has the more convenient option(s) present - if only to store so many games onto the one (SD) card...  but you end up with not hunting for the cart with the game on it, from many carts - to hunting for the game title from a big list? The later being the more convenient.

 

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Edited by kiwilove, Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:53 PM.


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Posted Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:22 PM

I really think the truly most versatile and compatible with Phi2 on-board for compatibility with all Atari's is THE CART! I linked above, it is compatible with just about every cartridge form there is or close to it, just check out the features in the link I posted above. And don't be confused by the pictures at the bottom stating only 32MB, etc., that is for the old version, the new version does have 128MB, 512K sram, etc. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can fit every cartridge game made in 128MB. Since the vast majority are 8-64K, and only a handful with higher memory.


Edited by Gunstar, Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:35 PM.


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Posted Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:59 PM

I assume when using stuff like OSS products, and Atari Basic that you can also Boot a Dos image from the SIO2PC along with the cart, so you can load and save your work?

 

I'd recommend Ultimate. I, like you, have an SIO2PC for things other than cartridge games. I also use OSS programming languages from the cart and the SIO2PC is there to save my work. Yes the price is on the high side but if you are handy (well quite a bit handy) with soldering you can assemble your own for about half the current going price. That's what i did.


Edited by gargoyle, Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:02 PM.


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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:22 AM

Thinking Ultimate, but price is a little high.  From what I understand, Uno Cart is a stripped down version that will just not run the larger AtariMax images, but ads a search function, not found on Ultimate?  Atarimax is also an option.  He is not that far from me (few miles).  

 

Basically, what I want to do this....  I already have SIO2PC and it works great, so I have no need for loading XEX or ATR files.  I want to be able to load CART images into ROM, not RAM of OSS, Bounty Bob, XEGS games, Basic, 8 and 16K game carts, BASIC etc, etc, etc....

 

I assume when using stuff like OSS products, and Atari Basic that you can also Boot a Dos image from the SIO2PC along with the cart, so you can load and save your work?

The CART! is exactly what you are looking for. It handles 99-100% of cartridge rom images and doesn't bother trying to load XEX or ATR files.  And all cartridge images should work as they are meant too, including OSS and using DOS and loading and saving work as if it was the real cartridge. The one caveat is that you can't get it right now, pre-orders are being taken via e-mail for an upcoming run. I'm on the list myself.

 

-         Following modes are possible:

 

-         8K (left), 8K (right), 8K+RAM, 16K

-         MEGACART 16/32/64/128/256/512/1024/2048K

-         ATARIMAX 128/1024K (1MBit / 8MBit)

-         XEGS 32/64/128/256/512/1024K

-         SXEGS 32/64/128/256/512/1024K

-         OSS

-         SDX 64

-         Diamond 64K

-         Express 64K

-         ATRAX 128K

-         Williams 64K

-         Blizzard 16K

-         SIC! 512K

-         MEGAMAX 8 / 16K Mode (1024 / 2048K)

-         flexi mode (separate 8k banks at $A000 and $8000


Edited by Gunstar, Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:27 AM.


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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:44 AM

I love my Ultimate!

 

Edit: Why?  Because it is the most flexible, it truly is the ultimate (as of now).

 

It is a fabulous cart indeed. The only thing I love more in The!Cart is the very nice ATR support. I have some games (like Cropky) that do run from The!Cart, and this game is ATR only. This ATR does not run from Ultimate SD Card. 

 

What I like on Ultimate SD is the fact that you can store everything on SD. The!Cart is more static. The Search engine on The!Cart is very powerful though.

 

The!Cart, Ultimate SD are equal awesome.



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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:49 AM

Another cart I absolute adore is MyIDE 2. 

 

I admit: it is perhaps slightly more incompatible than The!Cart and The Ultimate SD cart, but almost any game can run from MyIDE 2. Even on a stock atari.

 

It has 512KB Sram on board. It does do CF carts (in stead of SD cards). And it offers you a harddisk interface which let you run SpartaDOS X with read/write to apt partition. 

Or you can use the MyBIOS SOFT-OS which let you handle MyDOS partitions (read/write).

 

Or you could update your Atari with a MyBIOS OS in rom, which gives a plethora of new features.

 

MyIDE 2 is perhaps not as easy as The!Cart or the Ultimate SD cart, but it s definitely an amazing thing.

 

Another cool solution is SIDE 2 in combination with Ultimate 1MB upgrade. With FJC's U1MB OS upgrade the SIDE 2 changes into a real PBI harddisk, which is awesome.

 

(My favorite PBI harddisk is IDE+ btw., which is a great game storage thing too)....

 

Anyway: CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES!



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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:17 AM

 

It is a fabulous cart indeed. The only thing I love more in The!Cart is the very nice ATR support. I have some games (like Cropky) that do run from The!Cart, and this game is ATR only. This ATR does not run from Ultimate SD Card. 

 

What I like on Ultimate SD is the fact that you can store everything on SD. The!Cart is more static. The Search engine on The!Cart is very powerful though.

 

The!Cart, Ultimate SD are equal awesome.

Hmm...I didn't notice ATR support in the info for The CART!, but that's cool. Bonus.



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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:23 AM

Another cart I absolute adore is MyIDE 2. 

 

I admit: it is perhaps slightly more incompatible than The!Cart and The Ultimate SD cart, but almost any game can run from MyIDE 2. Even on a stock atari.

 

It has 512KB Sram on board. It does do CF carts (in stead of SD cards). And it offers you a harddisk interface which let you run SpartaDOS X with read/write to apt partition. 

Or you can use the MyBIOS SOFT-OS which let you handle MyDOS partitions (read/write).

 

Or you could update your Atari with a MyBIOS OS in rom, which gives a plethora of new features.

 

MyIDE 2 is perhaps not as easy as The!Cart or the Ultimate SD cart, but it s definitely an amazing thing.

 

Another cool solution is SIDE 2 in combination with Ultimate 1MB upgrade. With FJC's U1MB OS upgrade the SIDE 2 changes into a real PBI harddisk, which is awesome.

 

(My favorite PBI harddisk is IDE+ btw., which is a great game storage thing too)....

 

Anyway: CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES!

As far as cartridge rom support, I do like my MyIDE 2 as well, even if there had to be .R16 patches for the XEGS stuff. It runs every cartridge rom including XEGS that I've tried, even through my SpartaDOS cartridge. But .XEX support has a lot of holes and needs tons of patches still done for tons of software. I haven't tried ATR support on it, I think that is only through MyBIOS and MyDOS partitions though, I have mine setup for both that and SDX, and only use SDX. I use the FAT loader only for rom images for two reasons; one, that's all that will run from the FATloader through the SDX cartridge, and two, I can run .XEX's easy enough through SDX. If something is an ATR, I still just write those to real floppies and use my ultra-speed Happy 1050. But I still want the Cart! for all it's compatibilities,  and because it has 512K sram on board that you can use ALL of, unlike the MyIDE 2 where 256K is taken for MyBIOS and you are left with only 256K usable sram.


Edited by Gunstar, Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:28 AM.


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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:39 AM

I do like my MyIDE 2 as well, ... I haven't tried ATR support on ..... If something is an ATR, I still just write those to real floppies and use my ultra-speed Happy 1050.


May I suggest you really should try the atr slots of the MyIde2...

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Posted Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:27 AM

 

It is a fabulous cart indeed. The only thing I love more in The!Cart is the very nice ATR support. I have some games (like Cropky) that do run from The!Cart, and this game is ATR only. This ATR does not run from Ultimate SD Card. 

 

What I like on Ultimate SD is the fact that you can store everything on SD. The!Cart is more static. The Search engine on The!Cart is very powerful though.

 

The!Cart, Ultimate SD are equal awesome.

 

I don't even notice the lack of .ATR support in the cart because I use the Incognito Loader.



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Posted Mon May 22, 2017 11:13 PM

I am having trouble locating an Express! cart image. Is there a bug fixed one around?



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Posted Tue May 23, 2017 3:08 AM

I am having trouble locating an Express! cart image. Is there a bug fixed one around?

You may find one though this page:

http://www.realdos.n...press Cart.html



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Posted Tue May 23, 2017 5:08 AM

As far as cartridge rom support, I do like my MyIDE 2 as well, even if there had to be .R16 patches for the XEGS stuff. It runs every cartridge rom including XEGS that I've tried, even through my SpartaDOS cartridge. But .XEX support has a lot of holes and needs tons of patches still done for tons of software. I haven't tried ATR support on it, I think that is only through MyBIOS and MyDOS partitions though, I have mine setup for both that and SDX, and only use SDX. I use the FAT loader only for rom images for two reasons; one, that's all that will run from the FATloader through the SDX cartridge, and two, I can run .XEX's easy enough through SDX. If something is an ATR, I still just write those to real floppies and use my ultra-speed Happy 1050. But I still want the Cart! for all it's compatibilities,  and because it has 512K sram on board that you can use ALL of, unlike the MyIDE 2 where 256K is taken for MyBIOS and you are left with only 256K usable sram.

 

You used my patcher in the past for XEX files, didn't you? 

 

It has been a while since I wrote that patch routine. It was written in Synassembler, and I have LOST the source. 

It is not rocket science, but it would be handy if I had the source code of my patch routine.

 

I have contacted Steven Tucker about this, and I think he would be pleased if I could tell him why my patcher works. I guess when  he knows what my patcher does, it is easier for him to built it in his FAT32 loader.

 

I was on a short vacation and the only thing I brought with me was an Atari 800XE with a MyIDE 2 cart. Have had lots of fun. I was able to do some nice coding and saving, I was able to play games, I did write and save some TXT's. It is very awesome.

 

Only downsides of MyIDE 2 so far are: no RTC (IDE+ has it), no RESET button and the lack of APT partition table in MyBIOS. If people are ok with using third party OS's, then I would recommend MyBIOS in ROM and you will have a very nice harddisk interface.

 

My number #1 choice is still IDE+ ... especially the Real Time Clock and the fact that it is a real PBI device. It runs awesome on a stock atari.

 

SIDE2 + U1MB is awesome too. It is a very nice combination, with an amazing replacement BIOS written by FlashJazzCat. It is simply amazing. Downside for me is that it needs an updated atari and that I have to give up my cart port. But besides that, it is fabulous too.

 

So... choices choices choices....






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