New Atari Console that Ataribox?

[jaybird3rd]

This thread needs more old ladies.

(They're almost as excited about "that Ataribox?" as I am.)

[+x=usr(1536)]

LED's that change color?

 

Witchcraft, I tell you. WITCHCRAFT!

[newatariideas]

godslabrat

godslabrat, I tried to get your podcast but I don't have the itunes store account, is there another way to get it like a direct link to the mp3's? Those were some insightful comments you had about how when IP's change hands and go in different directions you just have to ignore it and let it go, and I'm on the same page as you I believe, just hadn't had anyone put it into words before, thanks! I also stopped with the original TNMT movies, and I was OK with the new TMNT movies but they were not ideal for me, but I still think they did as good a job as you could expect keeping it going for a new generation. I stopped with Terminator 2 as well ha ha. What do you think of fans that make their own low budget star wars movies as non-profit? Every star wars fan I've met has shared tons of stories and links to the fan-made movies over the official ones, thats really cool and I thank the fans for making them.

 

So what I love about early Atari was extracting as much fun as possible out of the oldest simplest hardware possible, and how it only did one thing and did it well. It doesn't need streaming at all, and I cringe when I'm at friends houses and they show me all this gear they paid hundreds of dollars for, on locked down hardware and online stores that will go away someday, and I hoped someone would swoop in and make a pure system. No lock down, fixable, tradable games with classmates and co-workers, no movies.

 

Carlsson, People spend too much time vegging out on bad netflix movies. Its an addiction, if your ever in a dating situation and your girl wants to turn on netflix, get out of there!

 

The N64 was pure. It had a case that screamed sex engine, 4 prominent ports that demanded you find 3 friends to play multiplayer in real life. It had one purpose and spoke it directly with that design, bonding with friends over fun video games.

 

I was hoping the Ouya would be something like that, cheap and simple, but it got ruined by bad cell-phone cash in games and the case was non-inspiring.

 

Frogster Robot, that glamour shot you posted of the first Ataribox prototype looked great, that would have been a fine case, too bad they didn't want to seriously spend the money.

 

I had a few good electronics that I liked over the years, and I think the secret of a good product is everything falls into place for one good singular purpose. I had an old Windows CE Pda smartphone back in the early 2000's. I used it to set apointments with a stylus and the thing screamed business when I flashed it in front of customers, it ran fast and smooth with no bloat. Another was a Sony Minidisc and I loved the chunky Minidisc carts, the whole experience of listening to music was more focused with burning the playlists based on what I needed the music for.

 

Back to video games though....You guys are right about sticking to the old systems and ignoring the nuAtari. They still work but can't spread to a new generation. Some systems got new life like the original xbox, it was hacked and people ported new games to it like Beats of Rage, I had a DreamCast and played fan-made games for that as well once that was hacked, extending its life. I'm loving how people are making MSU-1 versions of SNES games these days, thats what dreams are made of since the kids owning a SNES back in the day used to imagine what it would be like if it got a CD add-on, now we finally know!

 

With Atari's history, its ripe for a disruptive system to steal away its fans from the holding company, and make it our own. A simple pure fun system, but it will have to come from a fan somewhere, working out of their garage. they will have to be carefull with the legals so he doesn't get sued. Is that idea so wrong? I want it to be made by a pure creative person working as a hobby out of his free time, and give it to the world in a way that it can't be ignored.

[+x=usr(1536)]

godslabrat

godslabrat, I tried to get your podcast but I don't have the itunes store account, is there another way to get it like a direct link to the mp3's? Those were some insightful comments you had about how when IP's change hands and go in different directions you just have to ignore it and let it go, and I'm on the same page as you I believe, just hadn't had anyone put it into words before, thanks! I also stopped with the original TNMT movies, and I was OK with the new TMNT movies but they were not ideal for me, but I still think they did as good a job as you could expect keeping it going for a new generation. I stopped with Terminator 2 as well ha ha. What do you think of fans that make their own low budget star wars movies as non-profit? Every star wars fan I've met has shared tons of stories and links to the fan-made movies over the official ones, thats really cool and I thank the fans for making them.

 

So what I love about early Atari was extracting as much fun as possible out of the oldest simplest hardware possible, and how it only did one thing and did it well. It doesn't need streaming at all, and I cringe when I'm at friends houses and they show me all this gear they paid hundreds of dollars for, on locked down hardware and online stores that will go away someday, and I hoped someone would swoop in and make a pure system. No lock down, fixable, tradable games with classmates and co-workers, no movies.

 

Carlsson, People spend too much time vegging out on bad netflix movies. Its an addiction, if your ever in a dating situation and your girl wants to turn on netflix, get out of there!

 

The N64 was pure. It had a case that screamed sex engine, 4 prominent ports that demanded you find 3 friends to play multiplayer in real life. It had one purpose and spoke it directly with that design, bonding with friends over fun video games.

 

I was hoping the Ouya would be something like that, cheap and simple, but it got ruined by bad cell-phone cash in games and the case was non-inspiring.

 

Frogster Robot, that glamour shot you posted of the first Ataribox prototype looked great, that would have been a fine case, too bad they didn't want to seriously spend the money.

 

I had a few good electronics that I liked over the years, and I think the secret of a good product is everything falls into place for one good singular purpose. I had an old Windows CE Pda smartphone back in the early 2000's. I used it to set apointments with a stylus and the thing screamed business when I flashed it in front of customers, it ran fast and smooth with no bloat. Another was a Sony Minidisc and I loved the chunky Minidisc carts, the whole experience of listening to music was more focused with burning the playlists based on what I needed the music for.

 

Back to video games though....You guys are right about sticking to the old systems and ignoring the nuAtari. They still work but can't spread to a new generation. Some systems got new life like the original xbox, it was hacked and people ported new games to it like Beats of Rage, I had a DreamCast and played fan-made games for that as well once that was hacked, extending its life. I'm loving how people are making MSU-1 versions of SNES games these days, thats what dreams are made of since the kids owning a SNES back in the day used to imagine what it would be like if it got a CD add-on, now we finally know!

 

With Atari's history, its ripe for a disruptive system to steal away its fans from the holding company, and make it our own. A simple pure fun system, but it will have to come from a fan somewhere, working out of their garage. they will have to be carefull with the legals so he doesn't get sued. Is that idea so wrong? I want it to be made by a pure creative person working as a hobby out of his free time, and give it to the world in a way that it can't be ignored.

 

 

[newatariideas]

x=user, let me know if i'm bringing up the wrong stuff or breaking any forum rules. I agree with you guys that the VCS is a scam 100%. I'm planning to buy a 3d printer in the future and mess around with a Raspberry Pi or one of their competitors once I have time but I'm not going to make a video game system with it, probably try to recreate something that I'm more passionate about in another sector, like a general focused computer for artists to create without getting distracted by social media. I know that Microsoft, Apple, and Google make better products, but its a bit like living under the shadow of big corporations, like Shadowrun.

[+Spriggy]

Back to video games though....You guys are right about sticking to the old systems and ignoring the nuAtari. They still work but can't spread to a new generation. Some systems got new life like the original xbox, it was hacked and people ported new games to it like Beats of Rage, I had a DreamCast and played fan-made games for that as well once that was hacked, extending its life. I'm loving how people are making MSU-1 versions of SNES games these days, thats what dreams are made of since the kids owning a SNES back in the day used to imagine what it would be like if it got a CD add-on, now we finally know!

 

With Atari's history, its ripe for a disruptive system to steal away its fans from the holding company, and make it our own. A simple pure fun system, but it will have to come from a fan somewhere, working out of their garage. they will have to be carefull with the legals so he doesn't get sued. Is that idea so wrong? I want it to be made by a pure creative person working as a hobby out of his free time, and give it to the world in a way that it can't be ignored.

 

 

 

In the end, no need for the imaginary Atacobox. Nostalgic classic era gaming is, generally, already completely covered imo. People playing old consoles (modded in some cases for the modern era) with original games. Great carts like the 2600 Harmony or Genesis Everdrive that can hold entire game system libraries for original consoles. Modern built consoles, like the Retron 77 (2600), that play original game formats (carts in this case). Etc ......

Software Emulation running on PCs or mini systems like the Raspberry Pi, with fantastic frontends and interfaces, with the ability to use both original and modern joysticks/paddles/gamepads etc.

 

Then you have the amazing Homebrew game designers, many or most appearing on AA, stretching the old hardware to the max with mind-blowing games, that play on the original systems ... with Albert and his team members supporting said designers in getting their games released to the public. "A fan somewhere, working out of their garage" persay.

The "new generation" will only gravitate to these old beasts because they played Dads old Atari or PS1 when they were young, attempt to understand the nostalgia of the old systems or just curiosity. Forget about targeting the new generation for these old systems, as a whole.

 

The only way I see Atari having any chance in high hell becoming king shit again, is to develop a modern console to compete with the modern Sony, Microsoft & Nintendo systems. And this isn't going to happen whilst the current Atarigogo chimps are piloting the SS Minnow straight to Gilligan's Island! In fact, the brand is so badly damaged, I don't think it will ever get the backing for something like this to happen.

 

Now I need a beer..... with some old ladies.

 

 

[newatariideas]

Spiggy, thats the analysis I was hoping for by joining here!

 

I'm thinking alot of my ideas were bad....a simple cheap system that homebrewers would rally around and focus on....nah, wouldn't work, they are going to develop for their favorite old system they are passionate about, and we are luckly to have them making anything in the first place, so pushing them to try a new retro-futuristic system would backfire. We would have known for sure if Mike Kennedys system ever came out. I hated it from the start since it was branded Coleco on a Jaguar shell. I never heard a good argument for that random mash-up.

 

NuAtari strikes me as pure cynical business IP lawyers who dispise their customers, they know the money is in the con, the trickery....the cheap junk in a bright box at walmart. I think Sony cares but not quite enough since they allowed the PS1 Mini to be sold in the state it was in, Nintendo cares the most since they are an underdog against deeper pocketed competition, Microsoft cares a hell of alot since the original Xbox, I don't know why but they do. Maybe they are playing a long-game where they know they will make tons of money in game/cloud/services later on.

 

NuAtari is the way they are because they are incompetent and risk adverse. its all they know how to do in business, safe IP licensing, and are bad at that striking deals with terrible manufacturers (or possibly just right, selling to casual customers), and I think they know there time is limited. I read that document someone posted earlier saying the company is worth 90million? How?! I guess they are competent when it comes to raking in money from hopeful idiots who just see a package, or want to buy stock. Messing with our hopes and dreams.

 

If I was NuAtari I'd grab an engineer, an great concept art product designer, and a retro-game fan, and make a system based on all the analysis that the big gaming youtube channels converge to. Mistakes like carts having a proper label and shell that looked good on a shelf, the Jaguar having hobbled chip bus and bugs where it never saw its full power potential, keeping all the mistakes of the past in mind. There were some bright spots as well, the Lynx made by a separate company that knew what the hell they were doing, the Atari ST finding its niche in audio production, you would think they would use that knowledge for good and be smart about it, not come off as a bunch of frat boys making a indigogo campaign.

 

They could make an official replacement controller for the 5200, a fixed jaguar MSU-1 type system so we could see what it was capable of really doing, so many ideas before they even start on a new system, that could be the hype building up to a full-powered system to take on sony and microsoft if you think they should go all in, spriggy. All this won't happen I know, I just like to imagine.

[Flojomojo]

 

 

In real news you can use, check it out, Feargal vs. "Atari" is close to a settlement! I wonder how much F-Mac is going to get from Fred?

 

ORDER: On May 6, 2019, the parties appeared before the Court for a settlement conference, during which they reached an agreement in principle. Accordingly, it is hereby ORDERED that this case is dismissed with prejudice provided, however, that within 30 days of the date of this Order, counsel for the parties may apply by letter to restore this action to this Court's calendar, in which event the action will be restored. (Signed by Magistrate Judge Sarah Netburn on 05/07/2019) (ras)

 

"Dismissed with prejudice" means it's over and done ... though they still have 30 days from May 6th to bring it back if say, Fred is late with the settlement payment to Feargal.

 

I'll be watching the skies for more scams from Feargal!

 

[TACODON]

The delete police will get this one soon. Can't have no logic around here.

[ColecoJoe]

Someone needs to change the topic.

 

But I still stand by my previous comment. This thread needs to be locked.

 

Move on people. Nothing to see here.

 

Remain calm.

All is well!

[ColecoJoe]

 

For many of us, Atari was that brand we attached our young self-worth to, we attached feelings of a brighter more technological future, of feats of engineering, computers would be our personal tools, working for us....we never imagined the future where they would be used to control us, take advantage of our human failings (like loot boxes in modern games), or be built to throw away.

I was just in it for the pack-in Combat!

[ColecoJoe]

LED's that change color?

My PS4 controller has been doing that for years. The only problem is it faces away from you so you never really see it unless you're playing in the dark ... and what 47 Plus something year old "gamer" plays in the dark??? Nutari can totally capitalize on Sony's failure right here with in your face LEDs!!!!!! I'M IN GUYS!!!! FUCKING LEDs!!!!!!

[ColecoJoe]

probably try to recreate something that I'm more passionate about in another sector, like a general focused computer for artists to create without getting distracted by social media.

You mean like a computer with an off switch for your WIFI connection? Please go on, i'm listening!!!

[TACODON]

I think Brandon is like Max a little also. Just coming up with crazy ideas.

[TACODON]

I'm starting to think these folks have to be in on the joke also... right?

[Flojomojo]

I'm starting to think these folks have to be in on the joke also... right?

[pacman000]

 

If I was NuAtari I'd grab an engineer, an great concept art product designer, and a retro-game fan, and make a system based on all the analysis that the big gaming youtube channels converge to. Mistakes like carts having a proper label and shell that looked good on a shelf, the Jaguar having hobbled chip bus and bugs where it never saw its full power potential, keeping all the mistakes of the past in mind. There were some bright spots as well, the Lynx made by a separate company that knew what the hell they were doing, the Atari ST finding its niche in audio production, you would think they would use that knowledge for good and be smart about it, not come off as a bunch of frat boys making a indigogo campaign.

Different companies; hence NuAtari.

[+Nathan Strum]

LED's that change color?

 

 

I want tacos that change color.

 

 

No wait... I don't.

[AlecRob]

I think making a single board computer like the VCS wouldnt really be hard to manufacture... the software side will be trickier IMO

 

 

Im not confident atari has ANY software knowhow.

Edited May 10, 2019 by AlecRob

[Woulfe]

Let's change the topic to....

 

Dr StrangeTaco - OR - how I stopped worrying & learned to hate faketari...

not based on actual events or anything else, if you can read this you don't need glasses

[Osgeld]

 

 

I want tacos that change color.

 

 

No wait... I don't.

 

they do when they "leave the stage"

[+Spriggy]

 

In real news you can use, check it out, Feargal vs. "Atari" is close to a settlement! I wonder how much F-Mac is going to get from Fred?

 

 

"Dismissed with prejudice" means it's over and done ... though they still have 30 days from May 6th to bring it back if say, Fred is late with the settlement payment to Feargal.

 

I'll be watching the skies for more scams from Feargal!

 

 

Hmm .. interesting. I expected this to follow in the stinky boots of the Acheesebox ... and be drawn out a bit longer.

 

Also, a quick link for those new to the thread, outlining general Ataco investor information, business hierarchy and press releases. Here ... ATARI Investisseurs.

[+frankodragon]

[ZippyRedPlumber]

BREAKING NEWS - Atari & Epic team up for the first VCS Launch Title, "Taconite"

[newatariideas]

I think making a single board computer like the VCS wouldnt really be hard to manufacture... the software side will be trickier IMO

 

 

Im not confident atari has ANY software knowhow.

 

 

There are tons of little companies making single board computers, I was thinking it might be as easy as calling them up and they customize it a bit and knock it out so Atari could market it as their own custom design they labored over, that would have been the most obvious route to please the backers.

 

 

You mean like a computer with an off switch for your WIFI connection? Please go on, i'm listening!!!

 

I'm just trying to inject a little positivity into the conversation. Think of the idea of single-tasking and arcade games vs consoles. An arcade game can have real controls for flight, driving, sitting, custom button layouts. A serious creative computer user has different equipment layouts and auxiliary keyboard controllers for sound production, video editing, monitor setups. Maybe a pen and tablet for digital painting. Remember vertical monitors for desktop publishers in the 80's? There's plenty to think about for future computers, especially for the friends and family I'm thinking of putting something together for, this is just a small thing I'll share with my friends and family to see if it gets them creating.

 

Ever play a game in Mame and it just isn't the same without the whole experience with the custom cabinet? That was another idea the VCS could have exploited to differentiate itself from the pack. Maybe a few first party games that included a mandatory custom controller that had to be included with the game, and the game is built into the controller and streams itself to the console through Bluetooth? Expensive and crazy but it's a starting point for a conversation.