flashjazzcat Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 ...opening up a computer and it's keyboard to check out what the old one looks like. Won't you need to do this anyway in order to establish which Mylar you need to purchase? There were only two Mylar variants used in the XE range (and only one - dual layer - in the XEGS), and the only way to tell for sure is to remove the keyboard and see if it has plastic protrusions coming through the back plate under the console keys (which the single-layer Mitsumi keyboards do not have). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Well that and when the metal hides that hint on some, you can see the layers right where the ribbon comes out on some. Either way you have no choice but to give it a look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Guys It's so easy to put the extra text on the mylar. Why not just have the text? Why are you fighting me on this? If you don't need, want or like the text, maybe others do. Compared to the rest of the work of creating the mylars, it's peanuts. Sincerely Mathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duddie Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Mathy, I will make special self-adhesive labels and put them on mylars. Now I cannot change project, it has been done. Original mylars do not have any model names either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hallo Duddie THANKS! Original mylars were never intended to be sold to users, they were put in at the factory. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Well that and when the metal hides that hint on some, you can see the layers right where the ribbon comes out on some. Either way you have no choice but to give it a look! Which dual layer Mylar keyboards don't have the plastic protrusions at the back that I'm talking about? I've never seen any in a decade which didn't have the characteristics I described. Those which don't are Mitsumis. Original mylars were never intended to be sold to users, they were put in at the factory. Since the original Mylars lack any kind of labelling, and you appear unable to tell one from the other by sight, can I ask how you know which replacement to order in the first place? Edited October 30, 2018 by flashjazzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) where you referring to the mylar protruding, the upper key guide tubes protruding... there a number of protrusions going on.. I suspect the protruding key guides... are the clue you make. While you repair a boatload of this stuff, some folks are like hey there's plastic sticking out here there and there. But I know what you mean. Edited October 30, 2018 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hollow plastic pylons which stick out the back. If you put both keyboards next to one another and look at their undersides, it should be apparent what I mean. They're different, anyways, and in a consistent manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I suspect the protruding key guides... are the clue you make. While you repair a boatload of this stuff, some folks are like hey there's plastic sticking out here there and there. But I know what you mean. My intention was not to present a riddle, but yes: the key guides. I did say 'under the console' keys. I figured minds sufficiently inquisitive to actually replace the Mylar might have been able to spot the difference, but maybe labels on the Mylars are required after all. Honestly: I'm trying to point out that the two different models of keyboard are clearly identifiable without even taking them apart (since I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone needs labels on the blasted Mylars), and preferably doing so without putting the phone down and running upstairs to take photos, etc. I begin to see why labels are needed... Perhaps if Atari had put arrows next to the key guides as well. Holy Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) I am a pylon repairman don't let the Sleestak interfere with my work! If they remove the crystal, the keyboard may never function correctly. This could lead to a solar catastrophe !! Of course using the part number etched on the mylars would cover it all. per se a single sided mylar has MITSUMI 56-3217A or maybe the backing plate sticker.. MITSUMI logo on the sticker that says CO70015 w/ some nice code like 850122 all that kind of crazy stuff.... on the metal backing plate. You never know..... I'm just running it down, I've dealt with just such things... it all helps. Even with all the information and pictures you just know the wrong one gets ordered somehow someway by someone... In the Land of the Lost! Will and Holley Marshall..... Edited October 30, 2018 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 OK: I clearly forgot my sarcasm tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) it's okay, my sarcasm never shows easily oh but it gets Even better! My Sleestak LotL Repairman tie-in is real... 7:11 is about where our repairman arrives. But you have to promise to watch the opening up til the title and jingle finish You don't want to miss the beginning part where the Sleestak mess up the Pylon ... best to just sit back with your corn flakes, crisps, or crazy loops and watch the hole thing... w00t! Edited October 30, 2018 by _The Doctor__ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duddie Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Guys, it seems that Atari 800 (not XL) with mylar is very rare. I have now four 800 here, all have mechanical keyboard... Could you check your versions? I do not know if it is smart to order a big batch of such mylars... Next question: what is the price of 1200XL mylar at Best Electronics? Are they NOS, or fresh production? Does anyone have a photo of such mylar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarland Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) A year or so ago Best was asking $80 for the 1200XL mylars. I passed on that. However six months later they were $40+shipping so I got one. They are quite new. They did a run last year IIRC. Edited November 12, 2018 by Sugarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 They sold many mylars at $10.00 for the XE and $20.00 for others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Hey Doc Are you talking about Best? Their XE mylars both cost $ 22.00. Always have and still do. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) might have been 4 maybe 5 or so years ago, I paid $10.00 for XE mylars.... and he wanted $20.00 for some other one. I don't remember if it was Best or B&C... it was a text based list I picked it from in any event. They basically were on sale trying to clear some out. So not always have been. Perhaps you gotta check in on them more often. Nothing changes on their list until sometime it does. *edit* might have been longer now that I think about it... in any event it was 10.00 for what I needed, 19.99 for the one I didn't need... and both Bravo Sierra and one or the other of (BEST or B&C) had it at the same price but said special. I needed more than what Bravo Sierra had in the way of hardware so I ordered it all in one place. Edited November 13, 2018 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 A year or so ago Best was asking $80 for the 1200XL mylars. I passed on that. However six months later they were $40+shipping so I got one. They are quite new. They did a run last year IIRC. now that's kind of how it was for the XE mylar, out of the clear blue.. half price... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Guys, it seems that Atari 800 (not XL) with mylar is very rare. I have now four 800 here, all have mechanical keyboard... Could you check your versions? I do not know if it is smart to order a big batch of such mylars... Next question: what is the price of 1200XL mylar at Best Electronics? Are they NOS, or fresh production? Does anyone have a photo of such mylar? You have a HiTek or Stackpole keyboard. The Mitsumi's are the good ones that all professional typers demand. Please order MANY mylars. There are MANY 800 owners interested in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I paid 39.95 for 1200XL mylar from Best when they were new in 2016. Really looking forward to the 800 Mitsumi one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duddie Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 For now, I am looking for beta testers having 800 with Mitsumi mylars. All mine (four 800) have mechanical keyboards..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Guys, it seems that Atari 800 (not XL) with mylar is very rare. I have now four 800 here, all have mechanical keyboard... Could you check your versions? I do not know if it is smart to order a big batch of such mylars... Next question: what is the price of 1200XL mylar at Best Electronics? Are they NOS, or fresh production? Sorry, but both of my 800's are mechanical. Also, I have ordered two 1200XL mylar's from Best this year and they both worked perfectly. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkriek Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I have 2 - 800 xl computers with bad mylar. would this have been used more n european models? happy to test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hello pkriek Are you confusing the 800 with the 800XL? Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I have a spare Mitsumi that needs a mylar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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