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#1 keepdreamin OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:32 PM

My Framemeister is taking a nap.  I can't believe it.  :-o

 

I ordered an OSSC 1.6 recently, mostly out of curiosity.  The only mode that my 1080P Sony liked was Line 2x (480P), and while it looked good, I still liked the 5X profiles I was using with the Framemeister, so it stayed plugged up.  This got me curious about the OSSC's other modes and maybe it was time to upgrade to 4K anyway.

 

If you know anything about the OSSC, it does lag free* (talking micro seconds here) line doubling, tripling, quadrupling, and now even quintupling (5X!).  Problem is, those higher outputs aren't exactly a HDMI standard signal, and if a TV likes it or not is a crap shoot.

 

I spent quite a bit of time looking at all the major brands' new sets, input lag, blah blah blah..  I found this TV (thanks to an entry by BahnYuki on the OSSC compatability page and subsequent youtube video on the subject )

 

Enter the TCL 55p605.  A $600, 55" 4K, HDR, Dolby Vision, still has Coax and a composite input, with 14MS of input lag in game mode.  AND it works with ALL of the OSSC's output modes.  All of em. 

 

Playing saturn with this combo, the 240P<->480i switch (dead or alive is a good example).  Takes a second, there's no HDMI re-handshake needed.  

 

Now the TCL isn't perfect, there is some backlight bleed in one corner on my panel, but again, it's 600 bux.  The more expensive QuantumDotSuperPixel OLEDs are obviously going to look better for 4K TV watching.  But if you're simply looking for maybe a 2nd tv for a gaming setup, and to possibly retire a CRT.  This might be what you've been looking for


Edited by keepdreamin, Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:33 PM.


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Posted Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:03 PM

So no numeric keypad on the remote? I'm starting to see that go away on newer TVs now(along with the coax port). 
 

I assume the A-V in port(that looks like a headphone jack) gets split out to RCA cables, like an iPod video cable in reverse? (also used on many portable gaming rigs) 



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Posted Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:51 PM

So no numeric keypad on the remote? I'm starting to see that go away on newer TVs now(along with the coax port). 
 

I assume the A-V in port(that looks like a headphone jack) gets split out to RCA cables, like an iPod video cable in reverse? (also used on many portable gaming rigs) 

 

No keypad on the remote.

 

Composite cable included with the TV is a three prong break out with female RCA ends (red, white, Yellow)


Edited by keepdreamin, Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:52 PM.


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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:21 AM

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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:05 AM

So... no component input on this at all then? Just the HDMI and 3.5mm headphone to composite AV plug? Damn... I do use the component on my Sony for the Wii and my HD retrovision cable on my Genesis. Don't really want to add another converter into that mix and introduce lag as well in the process...



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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:22 AM

So... no component input on this at all then? Just the HDMI and 3.5mm headphone to composite AV plug? Damn... I do use the component on my Sony for the Wii and my HD retrovision cable on my Genesis. Don't really want to add another converter into that mix and introduce lag as well in the process...


I'd say consider this a $800 set and the OSSC and required accessory. No added lag and genesis looks amazing at 5X with mask covering over scan. That will give your component inputs as well

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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:32 AM

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What's this implying? If you've got money to burn?

It's amazing what kind of money you can have in the budget once you stop buying collectibles.

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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:07 PM

Was reading up on the OSSC a bit and it seems like a solid enough investment....except for at least 1 thing...

 

It doesn't have composite and s-video input. So even if I had the OSSC I would still have to use my current s-vid/comp to HDMI converter for this new TV just as I do now for my current one. So really the OSSC would only give me the option to run RGB via SCART or perhaps give me better compatibility with other systems like maybe the SNES. Though I saw in the troubleshooting section that if the SNES/NES gives you issues that it is a TV incompatibility issue? So.. my current setup of using a VGA to HDMI converter on my DC powered by the USB off the TV, S-vid/Comp to HDMI converter and my Genesis connected directly to the component inputs on my TV through the HD retrovision cables isn't much different.

 

I guess the OSSC is and will be a great product to have if I ever convert all systems to RGB or get a newer TV that doesn't have any analog inputs on it. But that will be a while as my TV I have now is only like 6months old if that. But I do agree that this TLC looks to be an amazing deal otherwise.



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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:07 PM

What's this implying? If you've got money to burn?

It's amazing what kind of money you can have in the budget once you stop buying collectibles.

 

 

It was more pointing out the excess of spending $800 for something (on a whim no less) when you could get the same experience—retro gaming with zero lag—from one of the thousands of free CRT TVs that are given away every day on CraigsList. It was pretty dickish of me though, since I know everyone has their hobbies and some people just really like spending inordinate amounts of money trying to upscale their systems for whatever the latest and greatest TV is to keep up with the Joneses. I suppose you could always consider it "future proofing", which sounds reasonable until you consider that modern electronics aren't built to last all that long and that fancy new 4K TV will be dead as a doornail in 5 to 10 years; and by then the world will have probably moved on to some new top of the line A/V cable standard that renders your HDMI upscalers obsolete so you'll have to buy another expensive new device yet again. 

 

A decade down the line and several thousand dollars later you may wonder why you never just stuck with a CRT TV, or maybe you're wealthy enough that money doesn't matter so you won't have to care. Personally I'm trying to scrounge up $1.75 to take the bus at the moment, which may very well account for why I'm being such a negative nancy. Feel free to ignore me, I'm probably just jealous. Sorry for taking it out on you.


Edited by Jin, Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:23 PM.


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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:43 PM

It was more pointing out the excess of spending $800 for something (on a whim no less) when you could get the same experience—retro gaming with zero lag—from one of the thousands of free CRT TVs that are given away every day on CraigsList.

 

Oh boy, here we go again... :roll:



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Posted Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:51 AM

 

 

It was more pointing out the excess of spending $800 for something (on a whim no less) when you could get the same experience—retro gaming with zero lag—from one of the thousands of free CRT TVs that are given away every day on CraigsList.

 

-not the same experience.  A CRT isn't a modern 120hz panel.

-my requirements are one setup that handles retro/modern.

-I'd rather my living arrangements not look like the sales floor of a Goodwill.


Edited by keepdreamin, Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:52 AM.


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Posted Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:34 AM

 

-not the same experience.  A CRT isn't a modern 120hz panel.

-my requirements are one setup that handles retro/modern.

-I'd rather my living arrangements not look like the sales floor of a Goodwill.

 

Thanks for being nice about it. I knew I shouldn't have written that last post from the moment I hit Return. There are some days I should just keep my mouth shut and today was one of them. My apologies for derailing your 4K TV and upscaler discussion. Please, continue on. 



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Posted Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:52 AM

A decade down the line and several thousand dollars later you may wonder why you never just stuck with a CRT TV

Consider that if you live in a city apartment it may be hard to fit a CRT if you have a bunch of other things. Many of these flat TVs can just be hung on a wall and look nice enough for general use too, not just retro gaming, so it's also more "partner friendly" :)

And besides sooner or later CRTs will disappear, maybe not in our lifetimes but I'd still like to future proof my machines as much as possible. I'm also getting rid of floppies for better storage mediums (SD cards) for example.




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