OT - Chess Battle!

[First Spear]

http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/headline-story/14353/small-chess-program-bootchess-nanochess/

 

2015 - a spoilsport was talking trash about Nanochess. What do we do? Hmm....

[+5-11under]

So, Poudade makes BootChess in 487 bytes...

Oscar responds in short order by making Atomchess in 481 bytes... followed by 456, 446, and 392. He also makes a "reloaded" version in 831 bytes, with more features, such as castling, promotion.

 

I think anyone who is naive enough to call nanochess anything near a cheat either doesn't realize he's been doing this most of his life, or has never visited AtariAge.

[+nanochess]

For the historical note, I would have let him go happy with his record and fame.

 

But he mentioned me in the documentation in this way:

 

...I also did some research and nobody had ever beat this small size despite
 numerous false and misleading claims last years such as mistaking size of
 memory environment used with the binary footprint, counting total number
 of sourcecode C characters (Toledo nanochess 18th IOCCC) or interpreted 
 javascript characters (Tiny Chess JS1k 2010), falsely entitling bigger 
 sized programs "The world's smallest chess program" on the Google web...

So I had to do something.

 

Seeing it at the distance, I was silly to enter in a competence with a guy that doesn't play by the rules nor respects work of other people.

 

I'm human and with defects but never talked bad about the work of other people because I know it took effort.

 

I think that is reflected in the interview even though my bad English.

 

I think also that now I'm more mature and long ago I've dedicated more efforts to useful things like Intellivision games

[+DZ-Jay]

For the historical note, I would have let him go happy with his record and fame.

 

But he mentioned me in the documentation in this way:

 

...I also did some research and nobody had ever beat this small size despite
 numerous false and misleading claims last years such as mistaking size of
 memory environment used with the binary footprint, counting total number
 of sourcecode C characters (Toledo nanochess 18th IOCCC) or interpreted 
 javascript characters (Tiny Chess JS1k 2010), falsely entitling bigger 
 sized programs "The world's smallest chess program" on the Google web...

So I had to do something.

 

Seeing it at the distance, I was silly to enter in a competence with a guy that doesn't play by the rules nor respects work of other people.

 

I'm human and with defects but never talked bad about the work of other people because I know it took effort.

 

I think that is reflected in the interview even though my bad English.

 

 

I read the article and at first, when I saw the comment about "nobody has ever beat this in 30 years," I immediately thought, "uh... what about Toledo nanochess and Tiny Chess?"

 

Then as I read on, it impressed on my how much this guy wanted glory and attention. Something about an "accomplishment that mattered," or "pure elegance"; it all sounded so over-the-top for something as insignificant in the grand scheme of things (sorry Oscar, but it's true. It takes exceedingly hard work, skills and talent to write such a program, but it won't cure cancer or feed the hungry) as writing a really small chess program.

 

And then he insulted Oscar. I don't know how much either of them know about each other, but Mr. Poudade's comments sounded bitter and presumptuous. He kept painting Oscar in a negative light while simultaneously admitting it was just an impression he formed from reading Oscar's web page.

 

In the end, he was just wounded because he thought himself so high and mighty for completing a challenge that he overestimated in his head. It took him three months to complete, and he thought it was because the challenge was almost impossible; so when Oscar claimed to have done it overnight, it could not be because he was better at it or more experienced, or perhaps even that the challenge was not such a big deal after all -- No, it can only be because he cheated.

 

And on top of all of it, Oscar had the temerity to not even mention Mr. Poudade as an inspiration, as if the world revolved around him and he was such an illustrious figure in the field that everybody must pay tribute to him. Wow. Just... wow.

 

Oscar, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Your demeanor in the interview comes across as positive and respectful. Mr. Poudade's on the other hand sounds extremely bitter and antagonistic.

 

I think also that now I'm more mature and long ago I've dedicated more efforts to useful things like Intellivision games

 

Indeed!

 

-dZ.

[Intymike]

Wow, that's hilarious. What the poor guy accomplished in 3 months was destroyed by Oscar over night...

[carlsson]

As all of us on AtariAge already know, most of the things normal people accomplish in 3 months, Oscar does in one night even if it is something he has never tried before.

 

(Hmm.. that almost has a bit of a Chuck Norris vibe to it)

Edited March 16, 2018 by carlsson

[Gernot]

I wasn't sure last night if i should leave a coment here, but i guess i do nonetheless.

 

"Never mind about Oscar" (i know you don't)

 

Overall (even if it doesn't cures cancer - but wait one can never know) i guess such competitions are good, writing the smallest chess program which fits into a boot sector or the smallest text reader/editor.

Writing a textreader using modules and scripts which in the end has the sice of a grown up 3D game "everybody" can*

But it's poor if one isn't sportive enough to take this as a sport.

 

And yes i can rightously say we Intellivision addicted are proud of you.

 

*Which brings me to the practical use of such tiny proggys, they won't fail, they are to small for any bug, they will work always as expected, unlike a blown up one (personality or program). Though i guess you can't say "it won't help to cure cancer". If i need a 100% reliable controller for a machine i need such programs, bomb safe programs.

And i ned a "bomb safe" personality to cure cancer, personal goals like beeing the first or best won't help in this case and truely this might be the reason why cancer isn't cured, the interest is not to cure cancer, the interest is to get a "nobel price" for it.

 

Besides, i have my own experiences with unsportive blown up characters who think they can do everything better and won't listen to a unlearned "idiot" like me.

Sometimes it's to see already on the avatar one uses, really it is, either one uses a funny frog with a winking eye or the other use his own counterfy orbiting mother earth in a chair and looking like it belongs all to him, it speaks books.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Gernot

[+DZ-Jay]

I like this:

 

they won't fail, they are to small for any bug

 

That's what we all should do in our programs: make them so small that it can't fit any bugs, only pure and correct functionality.

 

-dZ.

[+DZ-Jay]

I wasn't sure last night if i should leave a coment here, but i guess i do nonetheless.

 

"Never mind about Oscar" (i know you don't)

 

Overall (even if it doesn't cures cancer - but wait one can never know) i guess such competitions are good, writing the smallest chess program which fits into a boot sector or the smallest text reader/editor.

Writing a textreader using modules and scripts which in the end has the sice of a grown up 3D game "everybody" can*

But it's poor if one isn't sportive enough to take this as a sport.

 

And yes i can rightously say we Intellivision addicted are proud of you.

 

*Which brings me to the practical use of such tiny proggys, they won't fail, they are to small for any bug, they will work always as expected, unlike a blown up one (personality or program). Though i guess you can't say "it won't help to cure cancer". If i need a 100% reliable controller for a machine i need such programs, bomb safe programs.

And i ned a "bomb safe" personality to cure cancer, personal goals like beeing the first or best won't help in this case and truely this might be the reason why cancer isn't cured, the interest is not to cure cancer, the interest is to get a "nobel price" for it.

 

By the way, if you read my whole post, you'll see that I wasn't trying to disparage Oscar or his accomplishments (I know I can't even compete). It was actually a slight towards the French guy. He had apparently worked up in his mind that beating the 1982 ZX81 Chess size was an "important" accomplishment worthy of his time and effort. Like Oscar said in his interview, "he started his own kingdom. The small chess thing was his." He just wanted his 15 minutes of fame for something that most people won't care about.

 

-dZ.

[carlsson]

Actually CHESS has been used to fight cancer.

[+DZ-Jay]

Actually CHESS has been used to fight cancer.

 

[Gernot]

(caugh) or a little ghost wearing santas zipfel cap.

 

In no way i would have even dreamed you would like to disparage Oscar.

I just thought "this kind of personality is needed to cure cancer".

 

It's fairly something the world leaks of, sportive competitive ppl who doesn't care much about personal fame but care about their work.

My master i guess was such a character, he tryied to get a academic, a chemicist because he believed back in the 1930's he can help the world to become a better place to live in.

He was teached by harsh reality something different (not especially of WWII), the goal of some isn't to help, the goal is fame and wealthyness.

He was just a simple guy, a "goatsherd", his thoughts and goals was naive and i'm sure he left the chemical industry because of the wrong targets they set in the '50's and '60's.

 

So he turned to becme a cynic and said "look gernot the world likes to believe in lies, there's nothing we can do against".

 

"Jean, i know... but it won't stop me from fighting windmills, someones got to do it".

Edited March 16, 2018 by Gernot

[Gernot]

Me i can do only little things, fluffy creatures or funny space ships, but i believe it can help to make the world a better place, they speak of my personality, naive and enjoyable.

If i like to reach somone i have to reach the little children (or the child in man).

"Childrens Television" has influenced me heavy and i know "Kermit" can change the whole world, mighty fluffy Kermit.