ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Hey all, I recently purchased a prototype cartridge off eBay. Heres the confusing part about it: the BIN was labeled, Jumpman Junior Super Game Cartridge Homebrew Prototype? The seller said it works on a standard Colecovision, but I always thought Super Games were only compatible with the Adam computer? Is it a Homebrew prototype maybe? I have no idea myself, but Im hoping to find out when it arrives on Friday. Any ideas? Heres a photo of the cartridge: Edited May 10, 2018 by ColecoGamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Probably just a homemade label for regular jumpan junior. Does it have EPROMs inside? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Probably just a homemade label for regular jumpan junior. Does it have EPROMs inside? Thank you for responding, Tempest. The cart will be arriving on Friday, according to the tracking number I received. I’ll open the cart then and post my findings. I’ll be pissed if the seller is passing off normal cartridges as prototypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Heres a link to the sellers other Coleco prototypes: https://www.ebay.com/sch/Video-Games/139973/m.html?item=332629247768&redirect=mobile&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_ssn=steadydietofpez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neogeoman Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Yea I saw those games on Ebay too and to me they dont look legit. It looks exactly like a regular game with a handwritten label on it. That's why the listings have question marks as to their prototype status as if the seller is unsure. The seller just has too many listed and has some regular games listed as "prototypes" or did at one point. Dont remember jumpman jr having a supergame version on the Adam either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Epyx was going to release enhanced games for the ADAM but I think some were planned to be released on cartridge not DDP or Disk. I'll have to take a look through the info I have to see what titles they had announced. Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt the cart you have coming is anything but the release version housed in an Activision cart shell... but we can always hold out hope that it is a prototype of something never seen before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt the cart you have coming is anything but the release version housed in an Activision cart shell... but we can always hold out hope that it is a prototype of something never seen before. You never know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt the cart you have coming is anything but the release version housed in an Activision cart shell... but we can always hold out hope that it is a prototype of something never seen before. This is what I am concerned about. I’m hoping its a prototype, but I’m not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Some good news: according to the tracking number, the cartridge arrived a day early (i.e. today instead of Friday) at the Post Office. Ill drop by and pick it up after work. I am actually nervous about this now. The seller seemed friendly during the transaction, but his item descrptions are less than welcoming. Yes, its on me for buying from him. But at the same time - he is using dodgy practices to sell games. I dread doing a refund if this item turns out to be a common cart with a handwritten label. If the cart isnt a proto, it will raise the following question: why is he falsely advertising games as prototypes? And how many unsuspecting people has he screwed along the way? Edited May 10, 2018 by ColecoGamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 If it is a common or repro, you really should leave bad feedback so others won't be duped as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 If the cart isnt a proto, it will raise the following question: why is he falsely advertising games as prototypes? Isn't the seller putting a question mark after the word 'proto' and disavowing much, if any, knowledge in the worded listings about the items being sold to leave wiggle room on just this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 true, but the fact it is labeled as a super game when it is not would be item not as described. If it was just one or two listings I could see brushing it off, but this seller has these constantly for sale with lots of games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 You would likely also win a item not as described since he has the condition listed as very good, which means the box and liner notes are included according to ebay's definitions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 true, but the fact it is labeled as a super game when it is not would be item not as described. If it was just one or two listings I could see brushing it off, but this seller has these constantly for sale with lots of games. Devil's advocacy: I don't have this actual listing in front of me, and cannot seem to find it in the completed auctions over the past 15 days, but I would hazard to guess that it depends on the entirety of the listing as worded. One could argue (right or wrong) that "(super game)" might mean nothing more than the person who penned the label thought it was a great/fun video game. Again, I don't have the verbal description in front of me, but if it doesn't explain how the label corresponds to the enclosed game and makes mention that the seller really doesn't know what it is, there's a lot of gray area and room for supplied interpretation from either side that makes this a potential mess if anyone is dissatisfied with the transaction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Devil's advocacy: I don't have this actual listing in front of me, and cannot seem to find it in the completed auctions over the past 15 days Strange you couldnt find it; I bought it less than 6 days ago. In either case, heres the item number if that helps: 332629247768 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) You would likely also win a item not as described since he has the condition listed as very good, which means the box and liner notes are included according to ebay's definitions. While perhaps technically the case (and it's a pet peeve of mine that many sellers cannot be bothered to apply eBay's condition categories properly), this doesn't seem like a good faith case to bring to eBay, as it's evident from the listing what's included and what isn't. If it were, say, a boxed game described as complete that turned out to be missing the manuals or overlays, sure, but IMHO arguing on these grounds when you're unhappy about an item is sour grapes rules lawyerism. ETA: "lawyer-ism", which is not a word and autocorrected, not "lawyers". Edited May 10, 2018 by mumbai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I only mention it because I had the same thing happen to me as a seller. I explicitly said that only the cartridge was included in my listing, but I was told by ebay that the because I had it listed as very good or good (i can't remember which) the buyer had a case. I had to talk to about 5 different reps before I could get the bad feedback removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Strange you couldnt find it; I bought it less than 6 days ago. In either case, heres the item number if that helps: 332629247768 Probably lost in eBay's system momentarily. "Assume", "maybe a prototype", "I really know little", and "you be the judge" all pretty much put the ball squarely in the court of the buyer to determine what's what. Caveat emptor and all that. It's a crap listing style to say one thing in the title and go the other way completely in the full description. Best of luck, as the seller bent over backwards to disavow understanding of any sort about the cartridge beyond what's pictured, though I'd guess it's genuine lack of knowledge? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 The best grounds I have to argue (if I do file a complaint) is the seller’s insistance that it wasn’t a common, ordinary Coleco cartridge. He’ll also have to counter argue why he felt the cartridge wasn’t ordinary, and then explain why. The loss of a cartridge label won’t be good enough to validate his argument, if that’s the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I only mention it because I had the same thing happen to me as a seller. I explicitly said that only the cartridge was included in my listing, but I was told by ebay that the because I had it listed as very good or good (i can't remember which) the buyer had a case. I had to talk to about 5 different reps before I could get the bad feedback removed. Oh, I get that. And it's an easy out to take, because eBay is anal about enforcing the condition categories when push comes to shove, given how clear their policy is on the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 The best grounds I have to argue (if I do file a complaint) is the seller’s insistance that it wasn’t a common, ordinary Coleco cartridge. He’ll also have to counter argue why he felt the cartridge wasn’t ordinary, and then explain why. The loss of a cartridge label won’t be good enough to validate his argument, if that’s the case. Maybe it won't be an issue, and it'll be a lucky find, but... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Maybe it won't be an issue, and it'll be a lucky find, but... There’s also that, too. It’ll be a learning experience nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoDan Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 No Way, look at the other games he is selling. Cosmo fighter 2, winky trap, kill barney. If he is truly clueless then he bought these from someone that made their own carts from roms and he should be told that he should make sure to declare that these are not authentic and that they are re created from rom. If he didn't buy these from someone else then he is outright lying to you and made them himself. Daniel never gave his games out with just a white sticker on them and the stickers look similar to other games which are all done by different people. half those stickers are not even in the sticker location and are at the top of the cart which no homebrewer would. I have these homebrews they are all beautifully labeled. Look at his common games he is selling that he calls rare, the parker brothers games are in coleco carts. These are basically all fakes. He either got screwed from a seller that made all these games or his is making them himself. Tomarc the barbarian is in a coleco cart. Give me a break. All his auctions are crap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Okay, the moment of truth is here. I opened the cart and found some interesting things. Let me know what you all think: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoGamer Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 I haven’t tested the cartridge yet. I plan on doing that a bit later in the evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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