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#26 RT12 Productions OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2018 6:21 PM

Here is the corresponding Hebrew transcription for INTELLIVISION:

 

אִנְטֶלִּיבִֿיזֹ׳ן

 

which is transliterated as ʾINṬELLÎVÎZHŌN; with a tethveth-rafeh, and a zayin-garshem (having a holam point in-between the zayin and its garshem).



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Posted Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:40 AM

It seems there were more PAL Intv III than we thought.

A Swedish guy posted in the Intellivision group on Facebook the following photo:

 

 

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Posted Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:40 AM

Not the right thread to discuss this but rev's dstabase has the following intv pal/secam serial numbers.

RH 083970
RH 086880
RH 118898
RH 137499
RH 143035
RH 146172
RH 307490
RH 311146
RH 311600
RH 801418

There's probably a series of serial numbers that started at 300k. I'd be surprised if intv made more than 100k pal intellivisions.

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Posted Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:03 AM

I probably never scrolled that far down.

It never came to my mind that INTV could sell the INTV III outside of North America.

I knew that in Italy the Intellivision was quite strong for a longer time. But new consoles?

There were still enough leftovers all over Europe.

My first Intellivision that I bought in 1984 (just after the crash) was a UK one.

I assume the INTV III PAL consoles are based on leftover circuit boards from the Hong Kong factory and that they just got the INTV label to get rid off. 

But they had a limited release (Scandinavia?) in Europe. Never seen one in Germany.



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Posted Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:57 AM

I just posted a question about that in a general purpose Swedish video game collecting group. The first response I got was that nearly all his Intellivision units (about 10+ in total) are PAL System ///. Personally I don't know so much about that, except that I've seen a reasonable amount of loose and boxed System /// for sale in the past decade. Some might've been US imports but I assumed the majority being European edition and never really paid attention that those would be uncommon in any way.



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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:38 PM

Interesting.

 

If I remember, the NES was never distribued in some Nordic countries? and possibly no Master System before 1988/90? So maybe there was a sort of vaccuum there for cheap video game and a Swedish importer took on himself to import the Intelli  III?

I check French auctions on a regular basis in the hope to find a cheap SCART model, and I have yet to see a model III (although to be honest, I glance at the wiring and not at the unit plate, so maybe I missed one... but I kinda doubt it). I spotted a model II once, but it was an US model and the price was just outrageous.

 

Doesn't Sweden also had a good amount of licenced Fairchild Channel F systems? Maybe they liked the uncommon systems at the time :P


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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:53 PM



If I remember, the NES was never distribued in some Nordic countries? and possibly no Master System before 1988/90?

 

I think you can't be more wrong on that matter. :) While I can't say for sure about Norway, Finland and Denmark, here in Sweden we had Bergsala who were very eager to start selling the Famicom. They had already been selling the G&W games for a couple of years and were very impressed with Nintendo's products. Actually while other importers may have been hesitant, they were negotiating with Nintendo already in 1984 and almost got half a promise they would make a PAL version of the Famicom. However Nintendo changed their mind, possibly due to the Atari agent debacle in the USA, and determined to repackage it as NES and launch it in the USA before Europe. Bergsala however got the rights to start selling the NES in 1986, first market in Europe I think.

 

What Bergsala did however while waiting for the NES to finally arrive, was to pick up surplus inventory and import rights to the Vectrex and Intellivision, so they sold off those in 1984-85 and thus got a litte more "experience" on selling video games. Whether those surplus Intellivisions were System 1 or System /// is the big question, though the responses I got so far point towards System /// should be relatively common over here. And no, those are not NTSC systems that Bergsala imported...

 

The Master System also was sold over here by various companies but not in the same scale.



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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:06 PM

The NES was introduced in Germany in 1986. I got mine in 1987. For the first years not by Nintendo themself rather by the distributor Bienengraeber.

 

Btw. this is the list of Intellivision distributers worldwide.

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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:12 PM

France got the NES in 1986 with the French import house ASD, which quickly sunk because Nintendo dumped their unsold US ROB kits on them, at which point Bandai took over in early 1987 and dumped ROB back to Nintendo :D

Which make the French ROB insanely rare since it was sold for 6 month and obviously, sold very poorly.

 

super-mario-1-asd-2.jpg

 

But that's not the question :D

 

So it's probably another country that didn't got the NES ^^

Really interesting to read that you almost got a PAL Famicom. That would have been epic, and probably one of the most collectible item in the Famicom/NES range (since I assume that Nintendo would have switched to NES regardless for the rest of Europe).

 

I can't tell for the surplus thing. if I remember,, INTV appeared in 84? I guess one would need to open your systems, but I'd bet that your INTV III are probably PAL Intellivision I stocks with the new INTV sticker.

I'm not sure if one could verify that. There was probably a "transition time" where INTV console would be exactly the same than Mattel's Intellivision.


Edited by CatPix, Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:16 PM.


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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:18 PM

@Intymike: Lilliehöök Electronic AB - more commonly known as LEAB - went bancrupt or otherwise lost the Intellivision license somewhere around 1983/84. I believe Speldata who held the Vectrex license as well as selling Suncom joysticks may have suffered the same fate, which is why Bergsala got the chance to take over both, past the prime time.



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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:28 PM

@Intymike: Lilliehöök Electronic AB - more commonly known as LEAB - went bancrupt or otherwise lost the Intellivision license somewhere around 1983/84. I believe Speldata who held the Vectrex license as well as selling Suncom joysticks may have suffered the same fate, which is why Bergsala got the chance to take over both, past the prime time.

 

 

The list is from the Mattel era. It was packed with white international games.



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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:14 PM

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I can't tell for the surplus thing. if I remember,, INTV appeared in 84? I guess one would need to open your systems, but I'd bet that your INTV III are probably PAL Intellivision I stocks with the new INTV sticker.
I'm not sure if one could verify that. There was probably a "transition time" where INTV console would be exactly the same than Mattel's Intellivision.

My understanding is that INTV aquired Mattel's intellivision stock in 1984 and sold out that year or maybe in 1985. It was in 1985 that INTV started manufacturing new intellivisions, likely using the same hong kong manufacturer mattel used. So yes on the inside they are likely the same as mattel but different plastic molding on the outside.

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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:35 PM

And for the stock, still the same, or a new Intellivision III plate added? It would be interesting to know which PAL countries got deliveries of Intellivision after Mattel sold it to INTV. Since Mattel never stopped making the Intellivision I PAL because of the delays and cancellation of an Intelli II PAL, they probably had a good stock of them. If only a few PAL countries were interested in the Intellivision past 1984/1985, all those Intell III might be "Mattel originals".

 

But I'm just speculating. I find the idea amusing and very interesting.



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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:39 PM

In Germany the remaining stock was sold in 1984/85. After this, it was C64 country.  :) 



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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:00 PM

And for the stock, still the same, or a new Intellivision III plate added? It would be interesting to know which PAL countries got deliveries of Intellivision after Mattel sold it to INTV. Since Mattel never stopped making the Intellivision I PAL because of the delays and cancellation of an Intelli II PAL, they probably had a good stock of them. If only a few PAL countries were interested in the Intellivision past 1984/1985, all those Intell III might be "Mattel originals".
 
But I'm just speculating. I find the idea amusing and very interesting.

In north america the remaining stock were Intellivision II. Not sure about pal intellivisions; has anyone seen a brown pal intellivision with an intv label?

Do secam intv systems exist?

Edited by mr_me, Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:05 PM.


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Posted Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:49 AM

I checked a bit after reading this, but so far, there isn't any clues pointing to INTV Secam systems existing.

 

There isn't a single trace of an Intelli III in France so far. And thinking about it, the surprising amount of boxed Intellivision (seriously, when I look for used systems, 3/4 of them are boxed) systems might be well explained by Mattel France discarding their stocks of SECAM Intellivision in 1985 for cheap.

 

But France might be a special case, with SECAM adaptation being done in France and not directly made in Hong Kong :

 

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By law, video systems sold in France must had either RGB or SECAM outputs (at the time; the requirement was probably dropped in the late 80's with things like Laserdiscs being too costly to adapt to SECAM, to be replaced by either PAL, RGB or SECAM RF) so if INTV wanted to keep selling consoles in France after running out of the stock left by Mattel (if Mattel left any SECAM Intellivision stock) they would have do either make them RGB or SECAM RF. Which was probably estimated being too much of a hassle for such a small market.

 

It make me think.... Maybe, and it's a big maybe, RGB SCART Intellivision are INTV-sold models. That would explain their scarcity. But I never saw one with an Intelli III plate, so?

I know of one I can check out today, I'll try to get the S/N to see if it's a late run.


Edited by CatPix, Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:50 AM.


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Posted Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:19 AM

Mattel did make a native secam intellivision. Interestingly it was based on an intellivision ii chipset and had rf output. You can see a photo here. http://www.gamopat-f...d-intellivision
It is serial number RH79357 and based on the chip dates, it might have been manufactured in 1983Q3. The custom mattel chip in these and the ntsc intellivision ii was likely the obstacle for intv to make more of them and reverting back to an older design.

No doubt you will find INTV systems with older mattel era parts inside, like this one here. http://www.the-liber...ivision-iii.htm
But they always have the new intv molded black plastic case.

Edited by mr_me, Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:27 AM.





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