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#1 Kernal OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Oct 5, 2018 11:33 AM

I have some gear im willing to part with because i dont need it anymore...

 

(1) Atari 850 - in pretty good condition, the case is a little yellow and a small crack on the corner.. but works great..

(2) Atari 1050 disk drives.. 1 was my main imaging drive for years.. and drive 2 was just my secondary drive.. i dont use these any more so ... 

(1) atari cassette drive - it is in mint condition 

 

loads of 2600 carts, and 8 bit disks.. 

 

if you are interested please reply on here or msg me..

I also have an Atari 130XE im thinking about selling but it would have to be for a good price cause shes my baby and i love her.. but now that i have a VBXE/u1mb/stereo pokey 800xl.. shes been lonely and neglected... so i might be willing to sell her to a good home...

 

give me a message if you are interested.. i also have a few non-atari things for sale as well

 

i have a sony AVC-3600 Reel to reel videocorder editing bay from WGBH in boston and was their mobile editing bay in the 1970's comes with one uhf to RCA adapter would be great for anyone who has old reel film and wants to convert it to digital formats (thats what i used it for and its now done.. its heavy though and shippign will be expensive.. however if your in the boston area you can pick it up.)

 

 

I also have a Macintosh LCIII with monitor for sale..

and a 2001 IMAC 

1 HP Proliant server,

1 Smartbox Server

1 Dell R410 

1 Dell Poweredge 2650

loads of dell monitors (LCD Flatscreens from 2010)

RAM (ddr 2 and 3, mostly 2gigers but a couple 4's)

 

the servers will cost a lot to ship so again if your in the boston area come pick them up if u dont want to pay for shipping

 

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#2 erichenneke OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:20 PM

Anybody heard from Kernal lately?

 

I bought a 1050 and some disks/cartridges off him, sent the money, and traded emails several weeks back but now I am getting no responses to PM's and doesn't seem like the stuff was ever shipped.

 

Checking to see if anybody might know anything else or maybe bought some other items or had other transactions with Kernal in the past couple weeks?

 

Hoping everything is ok and maybe just some delays around Thanksgiving or something.

 

-Eric



#3 AtariLeaf OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:42 PM

Hopefully you paid with paypal when you say "sent the money" because if it was with a money order or something else like that you may be SOL if nothing gets shipped. Since you're both in the US shipping shouldn't take too long. No tracking number?

 

He left a phone number. Have you tried calling him?


Edited by AtariLeaf, Sun Dec 2, 2018 1:43 PM.


#4 erichenneke OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Dec 5, 2018 11:48 AM

Hopefully you paid with paypal when you say "sent the money" because if it was with a money order or something else like that you may be SOL if nothing gets shipped. Since you're both in the US shipping shouldn't take too long. No tracking number?

 

He left a phone number. Have you tried calling him?

yeah, well i paid through cashme so I don't know.  Hmm.

 

I am still hoping everything is cool and he just got delayed or something.  



#5 erichenneke OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Dec 7, 2018 5:55 PM

I was able to contact "Kernal" today and seems all is good and he just hasn't been on Atariage in several week due to being busy with work.  

 

He had to reship the stuff I bought because it was returned to sending, so that was the delay.

 

Well, hopefully that means I will be getting my stuff soon.  

 

-Eric



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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:46 PM

You know.  I guess I am quite the trusting fool.  

 

I still never received anything from Rick ("Kernal" ), even after talking to him on the phone.   

 

He assured me the stuff was coming, but it never did.  

 

Just sharing...   I hope some how he still makes good on the deal. 

 

But be warned.  I paid him $100 on October 19th.   4 months ago ! 

 

-Eric

 

PS:  Obviously, I will post an update immediately if this gets rectified... but until then, just assume I got shafted by him.


Edited by erichenneke, Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:47 PM.


#7 Kyle22 OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:00 AM

Wow, that's bad. I hope you get him.

 

Edit: An Effing Shift key issue with punctuation!


Edited by Kyle22, Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:02 AM.


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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:17 AM

You know.  I guess I am quite the trusting fool.  
 
I still never received anything from Rick ("Kernal" ), even after talking to him on the phone.   
 
He assured me the stuff was coming, but it never did.  
 
Just sharing...   I hope some how he still makes good on the deal. 
 
But be warned.  I paid him $100 on October 19th.   4 months ago ! 
 
-Eric
 
PS:  Obviously, I will post an update immediately if this gets rectified... but until then, just assume I got shafted by him.

Yikes, that sucks. I always use PayPal "Goods and Services" for protection unless it's a known member here on AA. Definitely make a post about this likely scumbag on the Bad Trader thread in the Marketplace found here and reference his AA user name, name, number, etc.:

http://atariage.com/...40#entry4209245

I just looked over some of his past posts and looks like he has an email of atariancomputers@gmail.com, in case you don't have that. Also, he referenced he prefers Venmo and cash.me and will only take PayPal as a last resort "due to the amount of time it takes to get to me." Red flags galore. PayPal is literally instant. Sorry you got screwed over by this guy.

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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:28 AM

Just found his address, or at least what he claims is his address, from a previous post:

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Let's go beat him up and get your stuff!



#10 erichenneke OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:30 PM

I did talk to Rick "Kernal" this evening. 

 

Evidently he was sick, including some hospital time.  

 

He assures me it is all shipping out early next week.

 

Again, hoping for the best here on all fronts.

 

Will provide more updates.

 

-Eric


Edited by erichenneke, Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:31 PM.


#11 erichenneke OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:11 PM

All.  Please be warned...

 

I still have not recieved anything from kernal.

 

Talked to him multiple times.  Was assured things would be shipping multiple times.

 

Nothing.  

 

Unbelievable ( literally ...   not to be believed). 

 

Karma, it's real.  People shouldn't test it.  Just sayin. 

 

I'll give updates if something changes. 


Edited by jaybird3rd, Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:06 AM.


#12 Stephen OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:26 PM

Sad when this stuff happens.  We are a small community.  We should also always look out for each other.



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Posted Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:05 PM

Wonder if this is the same "Atarian Comp" on Facebook....



#14 erichenneke OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:37 PM

Wonder if this is the same "Atarian Comp" on Facebook....

No,  I don't think so. 

 

But the one called Kernal Atarian definitely is. 



#15 Mclaneinc ONLINE  

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Posted Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:07 AM

Will Police get involved in this, if yes it might be the get your ass in gear that the guy needs..

 

I know it sounds extreme to ask this but if a group like us lot is seen to be an 'easy' target then more scammer types will target us..Sometimes tough love sends the right message out, we all want to believe our group is safe and the people kind but this stuff happens. If a person cannot give a credible account of exactly why there's nothing being sent then after a while its just a crime that needs to be treated as one.

 

Lest we forget that some of the easiest people to rip off are friends..


Edited by Mclaneinc, Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:18 AM.


#16 brenski ONLINE  

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Posted Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:23 AM

a few observations:

 

■ re: suggestion of using paypal unless seller is a known member of AAge. 

Good advice, but Kernal is a known member - of 10 yrs !!! - and last online only this week.

Sadly, PP Goods and Services is fast becoming the only way to pay these days.

 

Member Since 29-August 09 Last Active OFFLINE Mar 12 2019 7:24 AM

 

■ as regards getting the police involved. Police are too busy these days - i suspect they'll not have any time to deal with a $100 crime, and

if they did - is it a crime if $100 is handed over without any written record to say what the $100 is for. for all intents and purposes it could be a gift.

 

■ i'd tend to disagree with AAge or similar being "soft targets" - both of the recent issues (Kernal & Sloopy) have involved long-standing members selling things.

Both are evidently a case of other "unknown personal issues" coming into play.

For us (AAge) to be a soft target then both of these members will have shown incredible patience/time biding formulating their respective masterplans.

 

erichenneke, i feel for you, but like those in the Sloopy thread - i'd chalk this up to experience. sometimes people's lives get f**ked for unknown reasons and the after effects tend to create fallout for innocent people - like this.

 

sorry fella.


Edited by brenski, Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:24 AM.


#17 Mclaneinc ONLINE  

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Posted Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:52 AM

The suggestion is that scammers look for places that they can get away with stuff, if you see a couple of situations where members of the group have behaved badly a scammer my think its worth a try as we are a community and communities are normally forgiving of long term members and new arrivals (not knowing the ropes).

 

The point, there's a potential for scamming at any time, be as careful as you can...

 

As for the gift, well if its documented on a forum showing an offer of sale and a buyer participating then it would go along way to show there was credible reasons to believe there was an intended transaction. Would the Police get involved, I can't say, varies from Police force and country, mostly they don't get involved in social disagreements unless there's threats involved.

 

And lastly, the problem with allowing "unknown personal issues" to be allowed is obviously the wrong way to constantly deal with it, initially yes and the time scale you allow for fixing the situation will vary but if the only response you get is constant lies and broken promises then to be honest it does not matter how long you have known them, its stealing, the choice then is for the buyer to cut their losses and put it down to personal issues or to take action. That's why I said friends are the easiest to rob because they will allow a HUGE amount of forgiveness without truly knowing what the real score is.

 

If a member messaged a buyer and said "Look I've had real personal problems and I'm afraid the money is spent and the good are gone, I really apologise but XYZ happened" then I believe most would make a judgement call and write off their losses because its a friend and we all get problems but if you give vague details, constant sending promises and never do it then you are taking a friend as a mug.

 

That is how I see it....Its not a universal code of doing it, just my way...I don't bare fools easily, I'd understand a genuine reason if there's compassionate grounds but if I find out I'm being BS'ed then if its in my ability to come after you I will, be it a legal thing on boots on the ground I'd do it as point of principal. I don't have a lot of money, not much spare and I'd be <bleeped> if someone will just take it off me as a spite....And if as a friend you act like that then you are not much of a friend.

 

So that's my POV, its not as hardcore as it sounds, its principal and the principal looks at both sides of the story and takes it from there...No one likes to see someone going through a hellish patch and I doubt a single person including me would have nothing but compassion BUT if its just a cock and bull story then that is VERY different.



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Posted Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:43 AM

 

And lastly, the problem with allowing "unknown personal issues" to be allowed is obviously the wrong way to constantly deal with it, initially yes and the time scale you allow for fixing the situation will vary but if the only response you get is constant lies and broken promises then to be honest it does not matter how long you have known them, its stealing, the choice then is for the buyer to cut their losses and put it down to personal issues or to take action. That's why I said friends are the easiest to rob because they will allow a HUGE amount of forgiveness without truly knowing what the real score is.

 

If a member messaged a buyer and said "Look I've had real personal problems and I'm afraid the money is spent and the good are gone, I really apologise but XYZ happened" then I believe most would make a judgement call and write off their losses because its a friend and we all get problems but if you give vague details, constant sending promises and never do it then you are taking a friend as a mug.

 

 

 

 

I never said allow for personal issues. I said maybe it's one to "chalk up to experience". you're putting words in my mouth again. there's a huge difference between the two.

"allowing for personal issues" is saying "it's ok, i understand.

"chalking it up to experience" is saying "I'll learn from this".

 

again. you miss the point. continual excuses/stalling.buying time are typical examples of people WHO HAVE ISSUES and are now out of their depth.

a scammer seldom provides actual contact details, usually disappearing once funds have cleared.

 

the bottom line is another user has been left out-of-pocket by "seller personal issues".

erichenneke, maybe after five months it may still surface - but commonsense would dictate a time to let it go is approaching.


Edited by brenski, Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:51 AM.


#19 E474 OFFLINE  

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Hi,

In all fairness, I have bought items from tf_th and Simius and that has worked perfectly (and am very happy with both purchases though I *still* haven't gotten round to changing the Mylar on the 130XE I am supposed to be fixing). I also travel a lot and tend to use Google maps to check the reviews of places I stay, so it's good to hear feedback (positive and negative), but I think people can get a bit carried away at times. Most countries have a small claims court type arrangement, the advice is to write a short (courteous) letter/email to the person you are in dispute with explaining the situation and saying that if you don't receive settlement by a particular date, you will make a claim. If you've sent items for repair/upgrade, they remain your property, so you're quite entitled to request their return, though you may be obliged to pay for that postage. If you send money and the items aren't returned when expected/specified, I think that constitutes fraud (I am not a lawyer). Presumably if you have posted items, you still have the delivery address on record. It's quite true that the Police may have other priorities, but this is more of a commercial/civil matter anyway. Speaking up on the forum where you made contact with the person in question is a great thing to do, but if you want to get matters settled, and calling that person out hasn't worked, it's best to go down the civil route. One other thing is that the length of time since the transaction was made may also be a factor, though this tends to vary by country (and maybe state?).

Good luck sorting out the dispute, I hope everything works out well and you get a solution that works for you.

#20 Mclaneinc ONLINE  

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Posted Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:35 AM

 

I never said allow for personal issues. I said maybe it's one to "chalk up to experience". you're putting words in my mouth again. there's a huge difference between the two.

"allowing for personal issues" is saying "it's ok, i understand.

"chalking it up to experience" is saying "I'll learn from this".

 

again. you miss the point. continual excuses/stalling.buying time are typical examples of people WHO HAVE ISSUES and are now out of their depth.

a scammer seldom provides actual contact details, usually disappearing once funds have cleared.

 

the bottom line is another user has been left out-of-pocket by "seller personal issues".

erichenneke, maybe after five months it may still surface - but commonsense would dictate a time to let it go is approaching.

 

Martin, I can't help but think this is just part of YOUR on going dislike of me and not a simple series of replies...I'm not on your site any more, I left it before you banned me, don't pursue it on here, its annoying for me and others!

 

Also, reread what you wrote, you are putting words in your own mouth, you used words and then quoted words you didn't use....You know, those "" things...

 

A scammer is someone who takes goods or cash and does not complete the bargain agreed, some would say a scammer is a premeditated person and I'd agree but a thief is a thief. People who make mistakes, have personal problems etc will normally come clean in the end where they reveal the true extent of their problems and when it comes to not having money to send then some buyers may help there. If there some issue where they have sold the promised equipment or spent the money then depending on the reason the buyer may feel sorry for them but when you promise and promise and then break contact it becomes clear its deliberate and a buyer has to decide if its theft or not.

 

I personally would be annoyed, that said anyone who knows me know I'm a big old softie at heart, I'm kind, the sort of guy who would give you his last tenner if you needed it more than me and just a decent man but I've also had to fight for my rights and that of my family, especially my daughter at times and I do not take kindly to someone trying to harm or take from us, that is where I say NO and stand my ground, for those things I will go as far as it takes to stop any harm....I've taken the health authority to its own court system and won 3 times, I don't give up.

 

As said for a second time, these are MY rules, MY POV, I don't expect or wish any one to follow them as everyone has their own mind. I just hope we all get on, look after each other and if there's issues with a sale then TALK about it to the person..

 

We all have the wish to be understanding, you as well Martin, you looked at the issue I had with the 130 and kindly helped, it was a nice thing to do as it was NTSC and I could not display it, you kindly offered a refund which I thanked you for and took you up on it as money is short here for stuff I can't use. You sold me a 1050 that was pristine, perfectly packed with a disk to save the head. Perfect transaction both ways, the way it should be done. Lets all do the same and if there's a personal issue..Talk about it folks..

 

Are Kernal and Sloopy scammers, well technically they APPEAR to be because of their actions, breaking contact, constant excuses and for the people waiting for the goods I'd imagine its put any friendship to a test and friends tend to be just that and look out for one another. If they came through with the goods or were OPEN about the problems to the buyer than its up to that person to make their own choice. All I know is that if they put more gear up for sale or offered services then many folk would think twice and who can blame them.



#21 brenski ONLINE  

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Posted Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:23 AM

Paul, you're making this personal - for me, it isn't.  i disagree with the viewpoint - regardless of who expressed it. 

if you'd cared to re-read my initial post, I actually expressed an opinion that related to two different posters, both of which i didn't agree with.

 

after a few months - if the goods haven't arrived, then it's 99% likely they never will arrive.

in all likelihood, whatever personal issues have brought the sellers down have probably ensured the goods will never materialise.

and it's going to be very difficult to recover the cash legally - as it doesn't appear to be a "purchase transaction", rather a simple transfer of cash.

best bet for the buyer is to reach out to Kernal and ask for a return of the money. do it via email and then - if he replies confirming he will refund - but doesn't, at least there's something in writing admitting a transaction took place. That would then provide the evidence needed for small claims court (or similar).

 

buyer can continue in the hope the goods will appear, but it's a lot of energy to expend - and also (as time is money) buyer is sending good money after bad.

 

i still disagree with the "scammer" label. A scammer is someone who engages in a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation.

Neither of those sales began life as fraudulent. 

Kernal and Sloopy aren't scammers (they're both long-standing members of AAge) - they've made mistakes and now the whole thing is so big they're unable to undo the wrongs. 


Edited by brenski, Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:26 AM.


#22 _The Doctor__ OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:18 AM

Not true, they could either replace what they couldn't deliver, or refund the money. Failing that, they could even try to substitute something of equal value that the purchaser would accept.

In the most dire of circumstances they could explain and ask for forgiveness.

 

End of story.

 

Please don't infer intentions as an excuse, even if I don't intend to damage a park car with my own car... I am still responsible for damage to both. I must make the other party whole. If I wish to continue in my quest for quality of life.. I will have to fix my own vehicle as well. We can give countless examples of such cases where intention has little to do with the results of action.

 

SO replace, refund, offer equal value. If none are possible explain circumstances and ask forgiveness. This is not that difficult. Who knows if things change around they'll make good on something. Communication if at all possible is always a good thing.



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Posted Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:29 AM

 

not sure if you were replying to me. but in case you were:

 

the replace/refund option only works if the seller hasn't already dug themselves into a hole too big to get out of. you imply it's simple to remedy, but it may not be even possible for the seller at this point. we don't know his own situation - or more importantly - how he got there.

as for "asking forgiveness" - unless you've been in the seller's situation you are unable to know how easy it is to ask forgiveness. you have no idea what other issues - either socially, financially, mentally etc have come into play. at some point, people who get into these situations just lie and lie again, because the intention is to buy time to right things - but invariably even with 5 months of time bought, it becomes impossible to rectify.

 

as for car damage - bad analogy. we have insurance for cars. if the seller didn't set out to defraud the buyer then it's not a scam. Scams are usually planned. 

 

refreshing - as always that AAge can be relied upon for objective and considered reactions when these things happen. 

I really don't think that realistic conclusion and calm reaction are to be exclusive of one another. but hey, just for the fun of it - and sake of predictability, why don't we round up the AA Posse and get ourselves a lynch-mob?  :)

Chr*st! I know these cases are different - but the number of similar threads here - particularly in reference to Steve @ Atarimax - just show how knee-jerk people can be.

 

the High Court of Atari Age (Marsupial Division)  is now in session.  :)


Edited by brenski, Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:15 PM.


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Posted Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:32 PM

...as always that AAge can be relied upon for objective and considered reactions when these things happen.


Please don't allow the comments of the vocal minority to characterise the entire forum.

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Posted Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:42 PM

Please don't allow the comments of the vocal minority to characterise the entire forum.

 

hi Jon, it's not for me to "allow" or deny anything. threads like this tend to speak for the community itself.

We only have to look at the black and white statements made (so far) to see that the vocal minority (as with most places) do tend to be in charge.


Edited by brenski, Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:44 PM.





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