t.skid Posted January 29, 2002 Share Posted January 29, 2002 Crystal Castles cartridge for the 8-bit series it's a rare one? I see on ebay that there's an auction naming it "rare". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari70s Posted January 29, 2002 Share Posted January 29, 2002 i havent seen many if any so i would say its hard to get rare maybe. its a 10 or 15 cart.id say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted January 29, 2002 Author Share Posted January 29, 2002 I look on the best electronics catalog, and there's no price. Only a "call" write in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted January 30, 2002 Share Posted January 30, 2002 quoteits a 10 or 15 cart.id Huh? Okay I'll take 10 or 15 of them T.skid, its an old catalog. None of the vendors have Crystal Castles in stock. Expect to pay a good price for one. If Atari70s was trying to say $10-$15, thats too low. That auction will go at least $25 and probably more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted January 30, 2002 Author Share Posted January 30, 2002 Thanks MOB, now I've a more clear idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Perpetua Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 Anyone know why Atari programmed 2 versions of Crystal Castles, especially since at the time the released the second one they were re-packaging other titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted January 31, 2002 Author Share Posted January 31, 2002 Pete: There was two version of crystal castles for the XL/XE platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 Yes, Pete, give us the scoop. Were you thinking of Choplifter? That has two versions. Mario Bros. also had a version that was never released but was widely available. Those are only two XE carts that I remember as different versions. Many others were pretty much the same as the earlier disks (Hardball,One-on-one etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 I've heard of the second Mario Bros. What's the difference between the two? There's also a beta of Crystal Castles out there somewhere, it's probably what the 5200 version would have looked like instead of the spiffy XE version. I bet there's a 5200 looking version of Battlezone out there too. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Perpetua Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 I hope I didn't give you the wrong idea, only one version was released. However I have a version on disc that I had years before they released the cart. Its complete and a great with a trackball. It may be that beta/5200 version you are talking about. I got it at the same time I got Super-Pacman, probally around 1985. I could never figure out why these 2 games went un-released. I think Jr. Pac-Man, and Xevious were on the same disc. Maybe at the time Atari did not have access or know about this version and started a new version. I wonder if this is why there are 2 Mario Bros. versions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 I downloaded ATR's of a Crystal Castles and Crystal Castles 2; I can't see any difference at all between them, I thought one was the 5200 hack. Is the XE cart of CC any different than the original 8-bit version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 It must be, I think the XE cart is 64K. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted January 31, 2002 Author Share Posted January 31, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Pete Perpetua: I hope I didn't give you the wrong idea, only one version was released. However I have a version on disc that I had years before they released the cart. Its complete and a great with a trackball. You mean that this version was better than the "official" cartrige? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 quoteI've heard of the second Mario Bros. What's the difference between the two? About 48k. The first 16K version was scheduled for release in 1984 and cancelled. I think it showed up on the BBSs, but wasn't very good. Looked like 2600 graphics, IIRC. Don't have it, but the binary might be around somewhere. Perhaps it just completely disappeared given that the later version is great. Pete - good info on CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 If t was 16K it probably looked like the 5200 version. There were alot of games that were released for the 5200 that had unreleased 8-bit ports (since they were almost the same hardware they were developed at the same time). I saw a master part list that had a lot of these types of games on it in the lower numbers and again in the XE number range (where the upgraded versions were released). Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 The ones I can think of are: Mario Bros. Crystal Castles Battlezone Last Starfighter/Star Raiders II Food Fight I'm not sure about these, but I'd bet they were originally planned earlier on. Ballblazer Rescue on Fractalus Desert Falcon I really need to look at that list again. I remebber reading it and thinking that it was odd that a few carts were listed twice. Alot of the ones in the XE range were never released though. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted January 31, 2002 Share Posted January 31, 2002 Rescue and Ballblazer evidently kept their original cat nums at 8063-64 because the XE carts start at 8077. Wouldn't think that they also have lower number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari70s Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 if its cart only i dont think it would be much more than 15$ on ebay unless a biddng war or if someone really wanted it. if you search around im sure you could get it cheaper. for as numbers i have a list in a manual i know Final Legacy is like 8067 with a silver label like the early ones. so im thinking Xe starts in the 8070s. 8079 is food fight with a XE label yet 8080 (silver style old label with a red in stead of silver) so i dont know what it is with that cart but i have to dig out the note book. the XE numbers run from RX-8070s to RX8125. they didnt go higher than RX-8125 unless it was those casettes but taht was more the 800 series ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Perpetua Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 I haven't player either verision lately but I seem to remember the 16k version (dated 1984) as being a great port. When I got the XE cart I wondered why all the extra memory was needed as the game didn't seem much better. Buy the way has a 5200 version ever surfaced ? I don't think it has. I was playing around with the Atari arcde package on my son's Dreamcast ($9.99 at Best Buy) and there was no mention of a 5200 or 8-bit port. They show boxes and screenshots of other 5200 games the were not released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 Nope. No 5200 version has surfaced yet, but it's my number one priority to find it. I know it's out there somewhere. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Perpetua Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 One of the above posts made me think, were there plans for the following games for the 8-Bit ? Bezerk Vanguard Kangaroo Gremlins Space Dungeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 Yes, Mario was supposed to be a number somewhere in the fifties (RX805x). CC and Battlezone might be similar. Can't think of many more, though. Maybe "Last Starfighter"/Raiders II? Never looked at the 5200 so I am at a disadvantage there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx2k Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Pete Perpetua: One of the above posts made me think, were there plans for the following games for the 8-Bit ? Bezerk Vanguard Kangaroo Gremlins Space Dungeon Pete, Here's what I know... Berzerk - exists as a prototype. Not listed on Atari's master part list. Vanguard - Not listed. No proto known. Kangaroo - RX8074. exists as a proto. Gremlins - RX8073. No proto known. Space Dungeon - Not listed. No proto known. Last I saw, B&C sold copies of Berzerk and Kangaroo. Hope that helps, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 Space Dungeon exists in disk format I believe. Gremlins may exist, I'll ask John Seghers next time I talk to him (he did the 5200 version). This may exist on disk somewhere as well. RS Soccer does exist. John Seghers told me he has it on one of those huge 10" floppies. Xevious was also listed on the parts list I believe yet no proto exists. Tempest probably exists somewhere too Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted February 1, 2002 Share Posted February 1, 2002 Kangaroo was released! On Disc by Atari, when Jack cleared house it was in those big stock dumping ads they put in Antic and Analog - a mate bought a copy, it only works on the 400/800 Mario Brothers was re-written by Sculptured Software for the XE and is HUGELY better than the old 5200 version. Many of the 5200 games that did not appear on the 8bit were restricted in their licences too, so although developed Atari could not publish them on console/computer - hence no 5200 Donkey Kong! sTeVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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