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#2126 Shawn Sr. OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Jan 7, 2015 12:56 AM

Right that's it, I never gonna mention 'the crash' of 84 ever again.

 

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What's really funny is Xmas of 84 is when I got my first Atari..lol..



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Posted Wed Jan 7, 2015 6:52 AM

On subject of interviews...

 

I put a lot out in 2014, far more than i'd ever initally planned, it's been great 'fun', but very time consuming and i'd already written off at least 7 interviews from people i'd established contact with/sent questions to, as for 1 reason or another, it was clear the questions were'nt going to come back in with answers and there's only so many 'reminder' emails you want to send.

 

On that note, this morning has seen me send another 8 emails to people i contacted in 2014/put questions to.In some cases i'd not heard anything back from in ages, in others it was clear that to try and recal accurate information on subject material some 20 years plus, past just simply is'nt realistic, others i simply looked at formats i'd already covered and thought...you know i kinda don't need yet another Platform Y interview....

 

 

Espically given so far in 2015, i've already sent questions to 2 of 3 new sources of information, will be doing the 3rd 'interview' questions this afternoon-all being well.



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Posted Wed Jan 7, 2015 6:58 AM

I guess what i'm trying to say is this:2014, interviews wise has been a fantastic learning curve for myself, never thought i'd get even 40% of the folks i did interview, hopefully people have enjoyed the ones that have gone up online and will do those appearing in Classic Console magazine and the other 2 magazines planned for 2015.If nothing else sites like GTW/Unseen64 have 'benifited' from what i've managed to uncover, re:various lost games and i plan to continue, full steam ahead in 2015..but, i'm being far more realistic...

 

It's now more and more unlikely that the key lost A8/Jaguar/7800 info i'd of liked to have found, is unlikely to surface, it's a loss, but when i read an interview done in 2014 done with say Jez San where his memory is so poor on certain subjects, he cannot recal what he told a magazine back in 1998 etc, you have to accept fact that to many you approach, too many years will have passed to be able to retain the info.your after.

 

So, i move on, try new people, new formats etc.



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Posted Wed Jan 7, 2015 1:34 PM

Speaking of deep and thorough research, since most of the people you are interviewing are probably humans with a limited lifespan, is it possible for you to find out if any of them have any old paperwork that shows when Atari 2600 games were shipped out (month/year) before the info is lost forever? I'd also love paperwork from the retail end. Retailers had to keep some kind of record of the games that came in.

 

Documentation is a wonderful thing; alas businesses rarely keep it. This is even more so with the small, short-lived companies that populated the video game industry in the 1980s.

 

Many years ago, I was hoping to write an MA thesis about a local business that was about 125 years old. The then current owners took over in the early-1970s, and they literally burned a storage building full of old corporate records as they were of no value. :_(  Oral history was of utterly no use to me, as I was primarily interested in the time period 1870-1930.

 

I reviewed newspaper and the trade press coverage, and the few bits and sods of company records that survived, but the comprehensive history of this company will never be written.



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Posted Wed Jan 7, 2015 3:43 PM

eBay Auction -- Item Number: 281554408917

 

E.T.'s on german ebay going up, 4 bids and counting


Edited by high voltage, Wed Jan 7, 2015 3:43 PM.


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Posted Wed Jan 7, 2015 9:56 PM

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#2132 high voltage ONLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 8, 2015 1:19 AM

Wow, ok it showed the cart ET and showed a picture from the dig, and offered a cart only, with 4 bids up to Euro 55.


Edited by high voltage, Thu Jan 8, 2015 1:20 AM.


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Posted Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:23 AM

In case it was not already posted here, here's an interesting interview with James Heller:

http://www.2600conne...mes_heller.html

 

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Posted Thu Jan 8, 2015 11:04 AM

In case it was not already posted here, here's an interesting interview with James Heller:
http://www.2600conne...mes_heller.html
 
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There's a larger article based on a more inclusive interview with Jim (with more pics as well) in the next issue of RETRO magazine as well. Covers the events of the destruction and burials up through dig, as well as sidebars on the archaeological team and more. I'd been sitting on all of it since June at the request of the producers of the documentary, who wanted to wait until the documentary was out until the info was released.

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Posted Thu Jan 8, 2015 11:24 AM

Speaking of deep and thorough research, since most of the people you are interviewing are probably humans with a limited lifespan, is it possible for you to find out if any of them have any old paperwork that shows when Atari 2600 games were shipped out (month/year) before the info is lost forever? I'd also love paperwork from the retail end. Retailers had to keep some kind of record of the games that came in.


One of the first things we do when interviewing is ask people if they kept any paperwork, etc. and would be willing to donate it or allow us to borrow it to make copies. For some people it was just another job and they kept a bit of paraphernalia as a memento. For others they kept boxes full of documentation and paperwork. Most of the ex-management we've interviewed fall in the former category. An example of someone who falls in the latter would be Ed Logg, who still has all his engineering log books (the daily diaries programmers and engineers kept to document their projects).

The closest so far we've found in large lists of release dates are the ROM release lists from Jan Boehm that were recovered from the mainframe tapes. Those are the dates that ROMs had been completed and released for manufacturing. We've had to verify a lot of these though, as some are dates later than known release dates which means they were later revisions of a ROM and just weren't noted as such.

Keep in mind, release dates weren't a thing back then. It's more when did it first start shipping to retailers and when did they start putting them out for sale, which can be tracked by other means (appearance in newspaper ads for a store as being for sale). Pac-Man was the first attempt at a co-ordinated release that I'm aware of and it didn't quite work out, as some retailers started selling it in early March instead of National Pac-Man day.

As far as retailers, that sort of paperwork is long long gone. It just wasn't important to keep past a certain date. And certainly no importance over the volumes of other merchandise at the time and that has come in since. It was just another product out of many. I could go to a Sears or JC Penny's and say find large figures on overall sales that year, etc. But sales on specific merchandise would have been tossed ages ago, especially for a specific item being sold 30-some years ago. The exception might be people who ran mom-and-pop type operations and might have a few boxes of their old paperwork in the garage or basement.

Edited by Retro Rogue, Thu Jan 8, 2015 11:57 AM.


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Posted Thu Jan 8, 2015 11:46 AM

The exception might be people who ran mom-and-pop type operations and might have a few boxes of their old paperwork in the garage or basement.


I hope that's true and maybe there are some VCS game loving Aspergery guys who worked at a department store or owned a mom-and-pop type operation who kept everything or at least wrote it down.



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Posted Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:36 AM

Yeah - Andrei81 seems like a total piece of crap...Questioning all the hard work of the book? (I was part of the excavation)---Just looking at his posts--Does he work? Does he have a life?  ANy positive things to say? I'll be sure to any of his stupid questions...What a douche--sorry (truth)


Edited by timjenson1965, Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:39 AM.


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Posted Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:06 AM

Yeah - Andrei81 seems like a total piece of crap...Questioning all the hard work of the book? (I was part of the excavation)---Just looking at his posts--Does he work? Does he have a life?  ANy positive things to say? I'll be sure to any of his stupid questions...What a douche--sorry (truth)



So true. Reading his annoying comments is a pain in the ass.

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Posted Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:23 AM

Right that's it, I never gonna mention 'the crash' of 84 ever again.
 
PEACE


You did it again....

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Posted Mon Feb 2, 2015 9:17 AM

I lied

 

 

I wonder if there were any PAL E.Ts in the landfill, that'll be a European holy grail for sure.


Edited by high voltage, Mon Feb 2, 2015 9:22 AM.





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