Wait, so you're claiming that you did link to some kind of scientific study? Because I looked at those posts you listed and there's no link from you in any of them to any supposed scientific study or data. Care to try again?
It is very simple. If you state that it is a scientific fact then that means that you can provide proof of that scientific fact either through referencing some kind of scientific study (and one study doesn't really help much compared to multiple studies that support this scientific "fact") or conducting your own viable, unbiased scientific study and presenting the results or by gathering data that exists already about the subject. Can you do any of those things? If not then why did you make the unsupported claim that it's a scientific fact?
You know that nothing you wrote in this thread has made any sense to me and you are basically repeating the question that was alreasdy answered a few times. Let me sum up some things you write (putting aside all the irrelevant to the subject remarks):
You know I don't doubt that nothing I wrote in this thread has made any sense to you. Yes, that's sarcasm. I will keep repeating the question until it's answered. Atariksi hasn't.
(1) It's better to compare digital vs. analog rather than digital joystick vs. analog joystick. I hope you know that digital wins hands down in the modern world. Wow, what logic.
(2) You don't NEED A LINK to a scientific study for something to be a scientific fact. If 2X=1, X=0.5 is a scientific fact. Duh, how can you miss that? And performing a controlled experiment yourself also doesn't require a link to someone else's experiment.
(3) You can't mix paddles with an analog joystick since he already admitted in post #1 there are games that would work better with paddles. What's with this "fair game" business. If I used an analog joystick in a car, I would get into an accident.
(4) The fact that you tried to move a digital joystick in a way that you move your analog joystick means you are not being fair. In a controlled experiment, for the analog features that aren't implemented in the digital interface, you wouldn't be trying those since you would be using the 100% control to do better in all the other features of the game.
(5) You wrote that you have more control with analog because it has infinite levels. That's rubbish. You have ZERO control over those levels. And if you rely on feedback, I don't see why you can't use digital joystick to control the event as well.
Tangents? Sure, I can answer those for you (though you write so similarly to atariksi that I question whether you're a separate individual) -
1) Great, show where digital wins hands down in the modern world. Show were a digital representation of an oil painting is superior to the actual oil painting. Show were a digital recording of a musical instrument is superior to the actual instrument. Digital is a sampling, an approximation. I can't wait for you to prove that an approximation or a sampling of something wins hands down over that actual something that was approximated or sampled.
You are confusing ease of use with superiority. A digital recording, for example, "wins" because it's easier to reproduce. That doesn't make it better, only simpler for the person manufacturing it. No audiophile will prefer the sampling rate of a CD over an analog recording of the same musical piece.
2) Do you know what a scientific fact is? A quick online search seems to favor -
"An observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)"
So either atariksi links to a scientific study that satisfies that or he in some other way must show that the observation (digital joysticks provide better control than analog joysticks) has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true. And "accepted" doesn't mean simply by you two guys.
3) Would you get into an accident more quickly driving a car with an analog joystick or a digital joystick?
4) How so? The original versions of Centipede and Missile Command (my two examples) used trackballs. That control provides a speed component to the directional movement. I am used to the games operating that way. Why? Because that is how they were designed. So excuse me for expecting, even subconsciously, that trait to exist in the home version of Centipede or Missile Command. But you know what controller does prove the correct speed component? Analog.
You, like your doppleganger, keep assuming and stating that the digital joystick is better while never proving that or even demonstrating that. Why?
The fact that you expect others to prefer digital joysticks for analog games means you are not being fair. If a game is designed to act and react a certain way then that's what I expect when I play it.
5) Explain that. Don't just say "that's rubbish", prove it. Show how having infinite levels of control provides no control. By that (non) logic what you are claiming is the less levels of control you have over something the more control you actually have. Seriously? So then you believe that you would attain maximum control when you reach zero levels of control?
Explain the popularity and usefulness of the wah pedal for electric guitar and how you would have more control if that pedal only provided full on and full off positions. For extra credit, explain how useless a fretless bass is because it has infinite note levels and how someone like Tony Levin has ZERO control over it and would somehow have more control if he switched to a Rock Band guitar controller.
Explain how a car accelerator would provide more control if instead of having an infinite range of levels it was designed to only provide wide-open and closed states.
Explain how infinite levels of color in a color picker or color wheel is inferior to only having max value choices (255,0,0, 0,255,0, 0,0,255, 255,255,0, 255,0,255, 0,255,255, 0,0,0, 255,255,255). For extra credit, explain how you represent the color between 125,0,0 and 126,0,0 without more levels of control.
Explain how RC analog plane controls provide less control than a digital joystick. Extra credit if you can even find RC plane controllers that use digital joysticks.
Explain how remote-controlled limbs (waldos) would be more useful if the were not analog but were only controlled by the few digital states of digital joysticks.
Explain why higher sampling rates in music and digital imaging is considered superior to lower sampling rates if more levels of control should be, in your view, avoided.
Explain how to accurately represent 1/3 digitally.
Damn you, analog real world!!
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