I been reading this thread, I been programming in XB for a long time and have taken classes in a lot of languages. I don't think anyone feels they are an "expert" -- if we get stuck we ask for help. Back in the hey day XB was the way to go because it had the biggest user base - now we are hobby and most people but not all can run an E/A program and we have all these wonderful languages to play with. I use to love programming in Pascal on the Apple- we are talking 30 years ago now. I am just amazed how much new stuff is available for the TI every year!!! I just do things now because I enjoy programming as a hobby. I am just amazed and in awe of our hobby base and the people in it. Maybe one day we will get that new computer that will run the old stuff and expand us into the future.