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There were lots of these around.. but a pretty good solid joystick all the same. This is more from the 8bit home micro era than the 2600 days,

Guys.. this thread has heated up a touch more than was needed I feel. I thought it had died 2 pages back. Id like at least to point out, that Ive never claimed that "Shuttle Lander" is anyone else's work, and therefore don't really see the need for Kizza to post up code here in relation to this. Even if he did I don't see what we would compare it to exactly ? That is up to him and others I guess. This was never about saying that ALL of his new work is copied, and Ive never remotely tried to suggest that here. This was simply about giving credit to, and being open about, any "borrowed" works, that he is choosing to modify, at the appropriate time. That time being right from the word go. That's all. As for his being a member of WOS, its very possible that he is, and to be quite honest I can rather understand why he would want to keep his login to himself. We can be a pretty relentless bunch over there, and as I'm sure hes aware , he has become a bit of a board "legend" to say the least. Anyway.. there we are..

Thanks Sh3.. there is really very little for me to add to that. I will however say that when you post and claim something in public, you get replied to in public. Its generally the way forums work. Just a thought that's all...

And thats good. I'm deadly serious when I say that I hope your programming goes well. You probably have more talent than me at it, thats for sure. As for the other matter, I think even you would agree that perhaps in future, being a bit clearer, a bit sooner, would avoid any problems like this later on, and we shall just leave it at that. Fairy nuff ?

And has been pointed out to you, there's nothing wrong with using someone elses (rather old) code, tidying it up and implementing it into something you are doing. Provided you say that's what you are doing from the word go. However it has taken you until now to even acknowledge that Rainbow Squash and the Dice code was not your work originally, no matter how much you have "rewritten" them. Even with Bobsleigh, Sh3 RG had to squeeze the details out of you (something he already knew by the way) and yet you still failed to mention the others. Its just not good programming etiquette Kiz.. and whats more you know it! Sticking your © under it is just asking for trouble if you ask me. As for "Shuttle Lander" and "Laserbots" being your own work, noone has claimed otherwise. I certainly do hope they are yours. To quote what YOU said to me on JSII recently, " Is someone feeling paranoid? " I do however seem to remember a few Atari ST games you said that about also, so you will forgive me if I take what you say with the slightest dash of skepticism. And lastly, checking against your claims and trolling your every post, are NOT the same thing. No matter what you may wish others to believe. After 2006, are you really that surprised ?

Now now ... to be fair to Kizza, the fruit machine game he is (cough) writing is not in that book. The 3 games that ARE though, as he finally pointed out to us are.. BOBSLEIGH.. RAINBOW SQUASH (which he forgot to mention) And totally out of the blue.. SPECTRUM DICE Now there's nothing at all wrong with taking some already existing typeins, jazzing them up a little, putting a better front end on etc etc, PROVIDED you are honest about that 100 percent from the start. However, I cant help but think on this occasion (and with your track record on this matter firmly in mind) that you havent really been so fully, have you Kizza? Do you think ? Stuff like this is hardly a good idea, and somewhat unfair on the original authors I would say. Copyright of whooooo ???

OMG what class !! Now we know for sure about numerous ZX Spectum games he didnt write , aswell as ST games hes bullshitted about.... But an ice making machine ? Now WHY all of a sudden do I want to know more ??

Agreed. Firstly, the magazine article will speak for itself. At this moment in time, AA has done nothing wrong and have acted admirably throughout. This will be reflected in the article (and hence some free publicity!) I would ask that the WoS guys try to refrain from the kizza baiting. You all know from my moderating that I am easy going, but it's not fair to let this continue here anymore. Both the WoS forums and the AA forums are better than that. Thanks.. Yeah sorry Tempest.. just got a little pissed off when I saw that he had started the name calling again over on JSII. Not like me really

Oh you are most welcome. And yeah... posting links to some screenshots of ST games/pictures that noone has denied you wrote sure as hell PROVES that you had games published by software companys and magazines as covertapes on the ZX Spectrum platform. Of course it does... on the planet La La... What a silly little boy you are Kieron

Or for some REAL fun on that forum...and some interesting views.. try clicking this LINK Still waiting for those "proof" screenshots you promised... You see the problem is this. Rather than keeping your head down and your mouth shut , you still insist on acting like the victim in this , instead of someone who has clearly insulted the intelligence of every reader of this ( and the WOS for that matter ) forum. You want to keep calling us trolls ? Then I'll damn well act like one ! It was last months joke me old china....pretty much done and dusted as far as we were concerned.... and you've just made it topic of the week again PS: For those who dont know... its about THIS little adventure into Kizzas super honest software career. Or THIS to show you how us "Trolls" got involved in the first place. Oh and by the way Keiron.. Apart from the mail I sent to JaySmith explaining the reasons for (cough) Steve Davises post (including links) I Just want to warn you... you pull that post... I'll stick more back up pal , untill everyone on JSII knows exactly what you tried to pull. That jagfest forum is looking real tempting too I'd say. And as for this "insulting" PM stuff you claim ? Well if thats true its regretable but hardly unexpected going by the way you dismiss people in the above thread. The only insults I can see in that thread are by YOU in fact. And you certainly have'nt had a PM from me ,not even a nice one with kisses in it.. so dont even go there mate. See what happens ?.. You shout "Troll" loud enough.. and a REAL one turns up one day on your door and bites you on the ass

Probably wrong but you sure you dont mean Starship 1 by Atari ? Has very startrek looking gfx. Cabinet ect here