_The Doctor__

LMAO at your little hatred dig. Using your methods I should say anything Mazzspeed doesn't like or want to hear is hate speech. Got it. I post links, article quotes, mention the interviews and facts. I even mention firs hand accounts. I still encourage folks to take a gander at the reported and stated information. The only thing more ironic is that it's clear you are the one with the issue as any mention of the c64 in a less than stellar way or any talk of the Tramiels in a less than glowing light yields this kind of drivel. I certainly didn't bring up Commodore in yet another thread having little or nothing to do with it. It's a thread about consoles, or possible consoles. If there was a plan for Commodore to make a game console on paper and in the works based on the 64, that might be interesting and pertinent to the thread. I love to see things like that. The 400 would have made a great game console at release, and in a way it did... the idea isn't all that far flung.

I had posted this other places but might as well post it here as well, another link or two was with it in some other threads https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/10/28/bradley-trainer-ataris-top-secret-military-project/

well... https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/10/28/bradley-trainer-ataris-top-secret-military-project/

https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/10/28/bradley-trainer-ataris-top-secret-military-project/ might be a bit more informative, lots to see...

There were joysticks that let you lock in up down left right, lock in diagonals, or both as normal mode... might have been kraftmaster, realistic, or some other such brands that had them...

http://ultrabasic.net/ check out the ATASCII screen work... LOL you got phone numbers and all that jazz too!

Probably an issue with the ARM processor in the surface... it's been a problem before, 32 bit app works 64 bit doesn't... it's just one of those things. The Surface is going to a new home now. I tire of it's finicky nature and someone wants it so it's now theirs. No longer going to be my problem

I'd think what you thought was the same convenient ground... wasn't.... 600XL vs 800XL. Call it case closed.

I blame Tramiel and fam for many problems late in Commodores life and Atari's. The reasons are clear. I find it amusing any time some one mentions the slightest nod towards any possible issue in the C64 Mazz spazzes. It's like 98 percent of other things don't exist because you slighted the 64 in some way... I said the 64 deserved better as a compliment, it could have used better quality... an honest assessment from most Commodore folks and Atari folks... but that's the OUT we're looking for it would seem. It still won't make the rest of it go away. The links to other debates, interviews and newspaper articles are in the posts, so it's only overly simple if you don't check out the business journal, papers, interviews and links. I don't think we need a complete re telling to get the information out there. Just mention it plainly and let people read about it if they want to go further. That's kind of a norm. So a suggestion is to take in some of the the many interviews including Linda's, and read the articles and journals. The fact is not many entities or people liked them much as time progressed, and with a multitude of reasoning. That's why it was such a kerfuffle to consider bringing them to any of the later events. They were asking folks not to voice anything of it if they were to attend events. Fortunately they didn't attend much and people were civil enough in most instances. Of course if you'd like to discuss the 400GS stuff that would be welcomed. Maybe digging up some info and hope more information exists and might be shared. One can wish...

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.cbm/c/OSpSK_5WLyA many people were in concentration camps and they didn't treat people like shit after surviving it, why do you keep mentioning it about the guy? Is that suppose to make everything the man did OK? The interwebs are littered with what Sam and Jack did an how they behaved. There wouldn't be such back and forths otherwise... and that's within the Commodore camp itself. The reasons why he left Commodore have been noted over the years as well. History and time can't make it go away. But time passes, forgetting, re writing(nostalgic protectionism isn't a good thing) , and perhaps some forgiveness(which is a good thing) may be in order. It still won't change it though. I stand by what I knew of them personally and what was written in the journals, papers, and interviews. Sorry but it is what it is... it's great that early on in Commodore they did a push for schools etc. but later on that wasn't the case and they pulled Atari out of schools ASAP as well. If you go back far enough, I am sure they were all kind hearted sweet adorable kids who wished on dandelions and wished for harmony the world over. That isn't what they were when they hardened like they did over time and in the course of doing business screwing people over. The choices were bad and they got worse. I am grateful for the overseas market that kept Atari afloat. We know why Commodore wanted him out, we know what took place at Atari as well as why no one would work with them... It was the Tramiel family name attached to it and the choices that were made. It was a lack of trust in the business community and poor treatment of people. That's exactly what's in print, and that's exactly what folks such as myself remember. CBM made some great stuff very early on, the C64 was a cheaply made machine that deserved much better quality than it was afforded. The 128 was nice machine, and the Amiga was a wonderful machine. The reverse merger with JTS was just a way to take the money and run- a means to an end as usual.

There are people here on AtariAge who normally can fix all of the issues with cassettes and also fix up errors in the code. Amazing work. You might try the preservation thread.

Yeah it's a pain, even a Microsoft Surface Pro can't run 4.00 since it's 32 bit. Good thing most other stuff does run including mads etc. You'll just have to pick another emu.

Yes syncterm needs work that's for sure.

S Video is not only cleaner and clearer but normally shows more lines, which helps with some software.

If you have the chips to diagnose it, and it works... then use them to replace the chips. No need to go through all the extra trouble and money to fix it then. A simple fix as opposed to something more involved.

just kidding though, it was very useful in moving data from on system to another.

Don't know as the price on the latest and greatest of laptops and gaming systems is still quite high, though I think they lead with a loss on some game systems to make it up in game sales, not unlike printers and ink. You are correct in that many folks wouldn't have had the cash to buy a two pack... buy one for me, sell one to someone wasn't a though in peoples minds back then either The 400 and 800 really did come down in price though... dirt cheap at one point in the states, some surprising magazine adverts. I'm glad the 400 was a great entry vector for so many people though.

That's what the 400 was supposed to be... they really needed to sell it as two completely different platforms and push that real hard. Hell most folks would have bought an Atari 2 pack... The 800 computer system for high school, mom, and dad... the Atari Jr game system for the kids... and as upgrades rolled in for the 800, hand me downs would go to the 400(GS jr etc) Not unlike what we have today if you think about it... Laptops etc and still having xbox etc. Not as much hand me down, but controllers, hard drives, memory stick, and the like are still interchangeable to a degree..

It had major impact in the United States and made it hard for both Atari and Commodore to continue even after Commodore showed him to the door. Lawsuits and overseas sales were the bread and butter. If you were lucky you'd find closeout Atari products to buy in the USA discounter stores, otherwise it was all basically mail order again. How much sense does it make that we'd have to mail order from overseas to get product to the United States? The TT030 and Falcon030 were nice machines, as was the Amiga line... heck a Mega STe was not too bad in retrospect, quite passable. Showing people the machines over the years almost always gets a wow, I would have loved that response... they simply never knew or saw the machines. I still get people who find the 8bits amazing and even more so when they realize when it was available in the timeline. Commodore and Atari should have merged without Tramiel being present in either organization. Atari still sort of exists though...

It's not a flame war, it's a fact... and in print as to why Tramiel wasn't getting anyone to play ball. If the journals and papers don't make sense to you, first hand accounts by people and their dealings with them should have. Businesses didn't want to get burned again... if you check out the interview with Linda you can hear what else was done to finish things off. Atari made it's money oversees and through law suits under Tramiel end of story. He had already played his game in the USA and no one was having it. He killed off most of the profitable parts pretty quickly and those that were still left piece by piece over time thereafter. Maybe it's harder to see from the outside. Discounting first hand knowledge, business journals, newspapers, dealers, and employees giving information seems like denial in favor of a romantic view of a person rather than how he conducted business. Atari leaving the schools certainly was an advantage for Apple that's for sure. Killing off schools, dealers, and distribution networks in the USA was a bad move(duh). No one wanted to do business with the Tramiels, so thinking why not go and buy our own stores and have the last laugh made sense from that perspective... but... The assumption that we won't need anything other than our own stores didn't happen to be as the Federated Group was not as rosy as it looked. If it weren't for winning lawsuits and overseas sales... It would have been game over much sooner. Check out Linda's interview, it starts rough... and then she opens up, letting bits of truth come out in a reserved and careful way. Making for one great interview!

MIO mode was stupid. I know cause that's how I murdered my BBS drive

My hard drive is an embedded scsi drive only capable of 512 byte sectors. The Black Box boots from it without issue. I am not sure if it concatenates sectors to save them and splits them up on reading however... just don't remember. as for other flavors of fun... well that's floppy hell... remember inDUS and atr8000 boot floppies for CPM etc... There were multiple images with the first few sectors modified so it would boot from the attached parallel drives or the sio drives etc...

Thank you, If I could have hit the like/love/thanks/trophy icon more than once I would have! K you've made a wonderful interview with Linda giving insight. Reservedly pointing out the profitable plugs being pulled and by whom. Always the careful speaker, Linda gives qualified answers and hints as to what was what. A good solid synopsis of how it went. Great job, and thank you Linda!

Many vendors didn't give stuff enough time for word of mouth to get the ball rolling... by the time a person finally heard of a thing... it was already done for. Sort of like many of the products people do on AA today with short 1 or two week windows to get in on it... it can take months before folks have the time to get to their hobby in this day and age... when they see all they missed they get bummed, lose their joy and it could be months before they stop back in again. such is life. now imagine when all you had was a note here or there in some magazine that most people didn't buy/get/receive.....

packet radio and go back a few year to alohanet ... wifi before wifi ... check some of it out, you might like the history and tech of it.