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The only one with a vested interest is you. I was waiting for you to pull that BS. You did not disappoint. You even did a redirect and tried to call it honest.
Fact is there are many choices and the person truly giving more choices and places to read to make a decision isn't you. Funny that, it turns out someone else is giving choices and some perspective. Asking for some choices to make the one device I have better didn't yield an answer or suggestion though. Also including ways to see and read about them all. If one clicks on lotharek link one gets SIO device and FujiNets.
If one click the ebay link the same.
I will conclude with Mr. Robots site to see different ways they work in practice.
https://atari8bit.net/tutorials/
click around and you will find all of the devices and the way they work.
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@tmp makes great stuff and at a nice price for all that they do.
I also believe you will find SDRIVES at all the usual places, in fact they are shown in the very links I posted
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nope just noticing exactly what your doing, we give all choices, and option including links to the other choices including fujinet, you do not and take every opportunity to say things that are 'accidentally' untrue. I am glad there are others chiming in with other choices and they are not playing your influencer game. It's sad, but the sadness I feel is for you.
I bought my flashairs for 15 dollars a piece but you don't have to buy name brands like I did, you can buy others that do the same.
But please go on with it. Next you will no doubt tell me your memory upgrade was a dollar including shipping. You sure seem to have a vested interest in things. Why there is only one choice in your world. But S-Drive Max is SIO, AVG can be SIO, and don't forget Lothareks SIO choices as well, SDRIVEs et all there is a whole world of SIO choices, and I gave links to SEE them all and Compare.. I also gave @ nametags for FujiNets. I guess I should have included those for AVG etc as well. You see I have promoted all of them and you simply want to write off any other options or choices. Kinda weird.
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The AVG carts can have SIO cables, stop being coy, you know this. Intellectual dishonesty is so not cool
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Which is why I suggest going to known quality sellers for AVG AVG SUbcart and fujinet, with provided links. I won't bother with the influencer style write up though. Just know the FujiNet firmware is all over the map and I have asked repeatedly for feedback on the best versions. I really would like a top 5 or 10. One thing fix another broken, then great feature yanked for this or that. So it'd be real cool if get it together - here's the closest 5-10 firmware choices could be had. I really don't want to start a flashing frenzy at home doing each and every one, but would rather hear back from those using and loving it as to what their fave is. Then I'd only have 5 or ten to try and pick from there. Quality sure is an issue, as the SIO connection point and method seem to vary in many way and is a critical failing point as many aren't doing as a good a job as mozzwald in that area. Lotharek seems to have gone with the tried and true sockets and looks durable, able to use full size SD card etc.
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AVG is hybrid Cart/PBI SIO, FujiNet with separate memory upgrade is basically sio and cart/pbi, S-Drive MAX handles most files correctly in XEX,ATR,ATX, and CAS. I have two S-Drive Max, and two AVG's, and one FujiNet, but have been through and given away/up on a handful of FujiNets.
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The OP didn't say it must be wifi this or that, The FujiNet currently is only good at what I said it was, for most people the better choice has been one of carts AVG and variants being some of the best. They are the gateway to SpartaDOS X or all of the productivity carts, they simply do everything short of wifi the best across the board so far with the sound options improving each few weeks. The FujiNet makes a nice companion for what it currently specifically does depending on which firmware you are running and like best. I included links for it but didn't for AVG, which I should do.
https://miscretro.com/product/avgcart/
https://retrolemon.co.uk/atari-8bit-storage-devices/125-avgcart.html
https://mozzwald.com/product-category/atari/
https://lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=374
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175746919248
always compare them for build quality and what else you will need to make it a good item, like power supply to get started for fujinet or add on cords for avg carts etc.
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I don't swap SD card, FlashAir is wifi / access point built into the SD card, I simply send it to the card on the wireless network. Like I said, Fujinet does TNFS well. I guess if you want all the other limitations and want to play a games that get along with it, It's all good. I am on the umpteenth fujinet and it's never quite worked out for me. I guess the only good FujiNets are from @mozzwald direct or maybe @lotharek , maybe @Jfcatari
The lesser memory machines will play cart images usually without a memory upgrade but fujinet is not going to do a thing for you in that realm. If you want online gaming without the hiccups get a dragon. If you want news, weather, apod, TNFS, etc, or remote desk like gui the fuji is great. Sam is ok, and cpm is sorta almost there. Everything still seems so proof of concept, perhaps I should try the next next next firmware. If you get the FujiNet make sure you have at least 64K memory minimum
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So long as you get the frequency spot on for the Atari to execute code at full speed and produce color nothing else really matters. Some oscillators are noisy so you may have to clean the signal up a bit else you get more digital noise as well. Always a bit of this and a bit of that. Timing is critical so get it in spec no matter the crystal or oscillator. Especially with add on devices and such tolerances.
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And not managed not to get one because life went crazy, but I missed the prototype offering as well, it's been a grueling number of years.. thanks for making it seem better even if it doesn't always work out for everyone, it does work out for someone! That's hope for all!
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They support holding everything your TNFS server can locally with the added bonus almost EVERYTHING will actually run. They act as memory expansions also that allow almost everything new to run as well, the support DISKs, Cassette images, and Cartridge images including stacking cartridges, they support Audio like stereo pokey and others. The only thing the Fujinet does well enough is a few apps to check the weather, and news etc. The TNFS server is useful enough to get disks etc. but I find to truly make use of it all you need what the AVG and SubAVG carts have to offer. I use a FlashAir SD card to send what I want to the AVG's. I use the FujiNet to do a few things like I mentioned it also does a card game but it never really works well for me, times out takes forever to get around the table... that's why the card games are almost always empty
The only thing impressive at the moment is a polish online desktop via the net, I don't think my wireless lantronixs can pull that off. If you want to have a chance at competing in the online racing games you need a dragon cart for ethernet.
You aren't going to play or do much on a plain vanilla 600XL with a Fujinet. The loader still needs work in any event.
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Easily the best all in one bang for the buck way to go is AVG and SubAVG carts, grab the SIO and PBI or eci cord and you have almost everything covered without tearing your Atari Apart aside from the occasional Atari that has speed limit caps still on the SIO. If you have the need for SIO speed that is. And if you want to, you can get another goody to plug into it for stereo sound choices!
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Sounds like reserving 8 from ramdisk was the answer then as it will do the first 4 for spooler, the next 4 for sparta, and the rest for ramdisk. In a decent world. I'll have to see if BB will look higher, and reserve 12, hoping 4 for XE apps, 4 for spooler, 4 for sparta, the rest for ramdisk.
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Fresh download of SpartaDOS X 4.49g re-imaged with the two SIO overlays. Quick check shows KEYS working and APE appears okay. Further testing will be tomorrow.
Does SpartaDOS X know when the CSS BlackBox is using XE BANKed RAM for spooling? I see no difference in size with it on or off. Using an additional 64K or 192K of XE banks only yields the same expected sizes. This leads me to wondering which way the BlackBox or SpartaDos X will clobber each other if they are un aware of who's in the XE banks. I am not sure if the usual reservation of RAMDisk banks will alleviate this if SpartaDOS X -using banks- fills the empty spots in. Is there a way to tell SpartaDOS X to USE extended memory after the first 4 banks and of course then we can already tell RAMDisk to use memory after 8 banks if we wish.
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You can make your own or if you want a specific made for you cart I am told the needed files and parts are possibly now in corei64's hands, but I'm not 100 percent on that
I prefer the versions with a cart reset switch and cart on off switch. Never need to take the cart out of the slot that way.
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The problems began with 4.49e as far as I can recall.
Check your October 2017 and November 2017 notes.
I do know you fixed some issues with the flasher.
2 issues were fixed at that time and you were working on some other idea.
I do know you were aware of the other sections crash (which you fixed in g presumably).
I know you were pondering I/O and considering using IDE+ items in SDX
something currently can confuse APE when using various combinations of SDX versions and e or g bootable flasher disks.
I thought some of these were handled and rolled into f at some point, but I flashed over my f with g... something seemed familiar about it, dejavu... so it was serious thinking and luckily some recall for a change that helped me to outline vaguely the time frame and what was going on. The provided f is similar in problems to e and g.
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whatever you changed in the very last 4.49f and 4.49g, you've made it unhappy with the ICD MIO
4.49 plain and it's flasher work fine. When using the latest 4.49f and g the flasher and the actual ultimate cart sdx 4.49f and 4.49g will have problems.
Remove MIO and all works well.
I will need to be able to test all previous SDX's to see where it goes wrong, since I only remember having this issue once before during testing and you fixed whatever it was at that time. I had mentioned a problem with both of these areas in the past but they were never present together at the same time. You fixed the flasher back then. And the entry problem before. Might want to go back and check your notes. I did not know the connection with the MIO at that time, but I wanted to be thorough and tore my systems down to the ground and back up adding each piece one at a time.
The flasher used to tell people to remove carts, if the flasher is going to be this way, it will have to ask to remove MIO or other PBI devices.
This will not solve the actual incompatibility of using the later versions of SDX though as they won't play nice with the MIO 1Meg ROM of old.
I am willing to test each variant from 4.49 stable on up as last I knew it works fine. But I won't simply test just what is on the Project site since all variants are out there and come to haunt us. I will need to test any one since then that made it into the wild.
I am very surprised that no one is using the real hardware and such that often, as I've been the only one to look into this.
I have 4 MIO's, 2 Black boxes, and well a crap ton of gear, the results were the same.
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I should also have stated NTSC, I did not use ultimate build I used the supercart build.
Thanks @drac030, I'll flash it and give results this night EST USA time.
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130XE with MIO and Fujinet SpartaDOS Super Cart with real time clock (aka ultimate time clock) fresh down load from SDX site.
Flash the cartridge, Broken Command line input system, won't repeat won't accept same key twice, KEY ON... oh look it works, KEY OFF key repeat is gone and pressing the same key twice results in no further input on the duplicate key press.
4.49f is not in the archive.
g is not working as outlined, and as a result, depending on what you launch the key input is the same as CP
Probably best to try it using a standard 130XE no bells or whistles, same response on different 130XE and black box etc.
Only way it's a bad flash is if the source is corrupt.
They all flash back down to plain 4.49 without issues 4.49f was pretty good during it's last iteration, so I thought I'd flash back to it, and couldn't find it.
I have 4 Super Carts, all the same response, two different XE's with two different PBI devices and one Fujinet, again same results.
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So it will share the memory and have active windows into each other as expected with the redesign? That's DMA both ways, Atari into Z80 and Z80 into Atari?
Will the memory be seen as Atari Memory when Z80 is off like the standard memory cards?
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@drac030 , I am looking for the very final 4.49f images et al. as the archive on the project page does not contain it.
4.49g has a nasty problem with KEY being off, it won't key repeat and you can't delete backspace more than once in a row nor any other key repeated in a row. If you type KEY ON then it's business as usual and all is working. I normally turn KEY OFF for various reasons, and KEY OFF is the default in any event. As I muddle through 'g' it's kind of hit or miss. I'd like the very last 4.49f and then will continue testing and trying g.
On 1/2/2022 at 2:06 PM, drac030 said:There is a new beta version of SpartaDOS X available on the relevant website: 4.49f, dated 31 December 2021. It can be downloaded from here: http://sdx.atari8.info/index.php?show=en_download_beta
The list of changes relative to the previous beta, 4.49e, is available in the file whatsnew-4.49f.txt
Perhaps the most important change in this release is that the CAR: device is no longer limited to 8176 bytes per file. The new limit is 7*8176=57232 bytes per file. To take advantage of that, you have to use the new SDXImager, which handles both formats (the new and the old one). The new imager program can be downloaded from here: http://sdx.atari8.info/index.php?show=en_addons
Sorting the directories should now be much improved, as SORTDIR.COM now uses a new, much faster sorting routine. By "much" I mean 40-50 times faster than the old ICD code. The same sorting routine is used by Sparta Commander to sort directories in real-time for display.
The ED text editor can now run on VBXE 80-column text console as well as on the software-driven 80-column text console (provided by RC_GR8.SYS).
Besides, there were bugfixes and minor improvements all around.
65C816 support
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Also, this version comes with improved 65C816 support, which is now centralized in a form of unified driver, 65816.SYS (this one is for Rapidus OS, and there is another instance for AltirraOS/816, named 65816A.SYS). Owners of Rapidus and Antonia machines may want to put that driver onto the CAR: device before flashing the SDX ROM, along with the SIO816.SYS - these are available on the Toolkit disk, among few others which can be loaded from the HDD. The immediate effect of configuring the system to use these is that much more conventional RAM would be free - as the new drivers load to the RAM past the first 64k. All this is also usable on Altirra.
The 65816.SYS driver, among other things, contains the binary loader able to load relocatable binaries in SpartaDOS X format to the RAM past the first 64k. Such binaries can be built using the assembler ELSA http://drac030.krap.pl/pl-elsa-pliki.php
Below I am attaching some small demo program which may help to test, if the 65816 support stuff is properly configured. It requires VBXE. The source code is included.
Have fun.
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what are all the signals on the ram ribbon?
what signals are on the z80 cards 1090 slot?
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There will always be static free felts and fabrics.
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The Atari pre stuffed the memory card for the Z-80 card, then it loaded it's own bus monitor in it's own base Ram, the Z-80 then took over, the Atari then became the I/O, Video, keyboard et al watching the Registers and Ram. The Z80 was free to communicate with other cards in the 1090. It could suspend the Atari and the Atari could suspend the Z80.
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SDrive Max vs Fujinet
in Atari 8-Bit Computers
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I also made my own 2 sdrive maxes, cases are of community design and supply, also two of the standard old variety sdrives, each has their shining points... I may put the bigger character display on the standard sdrives aka bigus on lothareks site.
Sdrive maxes are the choice when people come over and we do the Atari thing, it's something everyone intuitively can figure out and handle. Touch screens sort of do that. Just not my daily drivers so to speak. aNode is the desktop I speak of at fujinet.pl
I use lantronix for BBS. I sometime use FujiNet for calls. I am always using the AVG's as all other items rely on it for memory or hard drive use etc. etc.
I also use real drives, and a MIO is on the first everyday use Atari with a BlackBox on the second. The Black Box is serving the BBS needs atm.
Almost always connected to a phone line, then ethernet, then wifi the novelty isn't super wow for me with new devices that do whats always existed other than having it's own dedicated server method now and restoring sites that are now https:/ is the shiny thing. The thing is the lantronixs did get upgraded to secure encryption as well. They don't work automagically like FN in some instances. I will say the dragon cart is the lowest latency fastest and least packet dropping way to play the online games.
http://8bit-slicks.com/
every attempt to make another device work as well for the game falls a bit short for our 8 bit.
it's a mixed bag and it will take some time for a proper fit and choice.
Friends over who are not complete Atariverse folks like SDrive Max and have no clue what that AVG is doing
Almost all others who have Atari and stop by are happy to interact with AVG stuff
My BBS crews are about the lantronix, MIO, BB etc.
A mix of the full on Atari all of the above crew do get the hang of FujiNet, and I enjoyed showing off the ISS tracker, APOD, Weather etc.
8 bit slicks impresses them with the Dragon.
I could keep going and make vomit in the mouth a little bit, but honestly, a little youtube and the links provided will help.
Maybe the answer is to start with 2