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Wow, I had no idea they looked that good.

It's not licensing, either. Nintendo purposefully left off that functionality to discourage pirates.

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Yes Oh, good. I'm not crazy.

I'm confused how can the person spending the $$ be considered Greedy? Taking a wild guess here, in all seriousness (I have no idea what he really meant): Maybe it comes from the implied "I want it so no one else can have it!" mentality> That's as close to sensical as I can come up with having read this.

Here's all I have to say on this (and I realize I am simply rehashing a lot of people's points - this is in the interest of solidarity): I hope a whole mess of legitimate reproductions (legit hereto refers to a repro that is clearly marked as such) are made. Games like this belong in the hands of players. As with TCM< Halloween, and others before it, there will always be unscrupulous repro scammers, but that shouldn't discourage the honest folks from benefitting. Some people abuse their children - it doesn't mean that the entire human race should stop breeding. That particular cartridge belongs in the hands of a collector.

hmm. No, I haven't - haven't gathered the tools yet. :/

Am I the only one who finds it tragically hilarious that we're discussing a case... that sold in a box?

Unless I'm mistaken, any Coleco-manufactured Atari game is a goo facsimile for a CV cart. As for the rest, I am definitely rooting for you, as a fellow case vendor.

Really. Look it up, or just trust me - I get these all the time (obviously). $60 = 60.00 divided by 100 = 0.60 = $0.60. That is less than $0.75, and I don't know if his price includes shipping or not. I'm not going to paste every example, as there are a few. It's not like he's neglecting a huge part of the market with the mods that would be necessary - I was just pointing out that even his cases would need modding in some instances. Yes, you are being a bit nitpicky, as is your right. In UGCs, NES manuals, for example, fit very neatly under the cartridge. As you say, this is a matter of preference. I'm going to say this point blank, because it hasn't seemed to sink in: I'm not saying that one is better than the other - I am simply pointing out what differences I see, and the market challenges he will face. If the price point can come down a bit, I think there's an extremely high chance for competition, particularly considering his cases use UGC-sized artwork. The manual slot alone won't sell the cases over UGCs - only build quality and a competitve price point will do that. If he keeps up what he's doing, hopefully people will eventually notice. Ultimately, you've made it clear you're buying his cases, and I've made it clear that I'm sticking with UGCs until something proven to be better as a long term solution presents itself. With that, I am retiring my participation in this thread, because A) it's been hijacked, and B) I run the distinct danger of talking in circles -I've made my point. EDIT: for grammar purposes only.

Cool, I figured you saw something that I missed Are you saying the UGC cases are a smidge cheaper than the prices he has posted in that link? If so, I would say why compare the two considering the UGC cases 'have to be modded' per system use, and they have no room for Manuals. Seymors' Cases are going to be system specific with room for the manuals. The UGC cases are useless imho, because they have to be internally modded for each system (for each and every case), and there's no room for a manual. The UGC doesn't suit the purpose of replacing a case on two fronts: 1. Doesn't support systems natively and has to be modded 2. No room for Manuals. You're making some pretty broad strokes there. N64, Genesis, and SNES games fit in UGCs naitively - they were designed for those systems Depending on the system, manuals easily fit - the only ones that don't are too long for the case (Atari being the best example) - depth has never been an issue. What this also means is that his cases have to, in some way, be larger than UGCs, even if it's just to house the manual externally - at least in height. Yes, he is selling cases that are designed for different formats, and that's by no means a bad thing. Yes he charges slightly more - by about 25% (based on the fact that a case housing 100 UGCs costs $60USD shipped). Not a huge deal to me, but others may disagree. Not my call to make. Even his cases need to be modified for certain things (game genies, etc.). There's no way to make a case system that will be able to account for every variant without a huge cost overhead. There's a good chance that these are of high quality - of that, I have no doubt whatsoever. In fact, I hope so. I liek the idea. A LOT. Could these replace UGCs, long term? Yes. Will they? Only time will tell. In the meantime, many people will continue to use UGCs.

http://www.seymoronion.com/Custom_Game_Cases/Nintendo.html

I stand corrected. His prices are reasonable, but are higher than UGCs (not by much, but, $0.15 higher per UGCs, and that includes the shipping price - don't know what he'll charge). In any case (no pun intended), I think it's a great idea - pre-fitted cases. I'll be sure to check them out when they are available.

I think that the OP was referring to the fact that an Atari cart will not fit snugly in a UGC without modification. This may end up creating more problems than it fixes - a new format for covers would be a very complex venture, and those already into the UGC thing may not adopt. I like the idea of a case for INTV, CV, and Atari that will fit manuals, but I also like the idea of a smaller case. That said, I think manual storage would set you apart from UGCs. Frankly, in my experience, most folks that collect these systems seem to like their carts loose or CIB - not much middleground. So, you're taking on a market that's relatively small to begin with. Add to that the prospect of a new cover format, and you have an uphill battle on your hands - all without delving into the potential customers that have already cased their games with UGCs, who may be very resistant to change. Bottom line from me: I am all for a new way to case games that works - it's just not going to be an easy idea to realize. Additional, re: Seymoronion: Again, I think that's a great idea, but, without a unified cover format, it's going to be hard to get folks to adopt. The UGC folks over at The Cover Project have been amassing covers for those for the better part of seven years or so... you can't hope to replace that kind of a community overnight. Again, not against the idea - just weary that it may not fly.

Probably just the timing - the 90's moved really quickly, and there were a lot of new franchises to build. Besides, look at the controversy Mortal Kombat (another Williams title) caused. Can you imagine them defending a game that featured players eating people?

I'm just going to put this out there: I never saw this heated debate over, say, Pitfall versus Super Pitfall. It's why I got back into retro gaming.

You can shorten development time and up shifts - having multiple dev teams work around the clock, but... we all know they won't do that. Good thing this is primarily a retro gaming forum.