ErebusMaligan

Never heard of this supplier, or a number of things on their site including the decapod... but nothing inherently wrong with any of that. I don't follow the whole real controller adapter discussion much, so that could be why. I know for a fact there are other original controller connection alternatives for a more standard MiSTer setup... although I couldn't talk about any at length. Obviously, the more you diverge from the most common setups, the less support and community experience there will be with your particular customizations. In the order notes, it lists that in order to use that controller adapter you need to download the various fpga cores from a special repository... i'm not sure if that is standard with other controller adapters, but that would give me pause.

I always wonder how many people are out there who remember seeing ads for this or Warcraft Lord of the Clans. So rare you see either mentioned.

Yeah, mostly a PC gamer from the early 90s through today... I think this is why dithering doesn't bother me at all. And doubly agree with that last sentence... really wanting a feature is one thing. Spitting venom at everyone else, even those who might agree with you, for just not being hardcore enough is pretty unhealthy.

See, but I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees with any of this. It's just the unnecessary vitriol and misdirected hatred toward those that don't share this one particular preference, that has turned people against Vanfanel. If they had just said: "I really wish feature X would be fixed, as far as I'm concerned it still isn't working right." and left it at that, I don't think they would get much if any push back from anyone. Who wouldn't want features to be implemented/fixed/optimized? It's the attacks and questioning of everyone's original hardware credibility with the constant "emulation kids" and "have you even ever played a genesis over RCA/RF??!?!?" that really lost people. I agree that analogue needs to do a better job of supporting their products, and not just chase the next shiny object... I have been critical of their shipping, their scarcity issues, and their lack of listening to customers in the past. I also accept the reality of their farily niche business, and the fact that I'm not aware of the exact specifics of how much revenue they need to keep coming in to keep them afloat.

As stated many times before. I don't think anybody is taking umbrage with the idea that this would be a nice option to have for those that want it. I'd personally never use it, but for those that want it, i'd be all for it. It's this nonsense: all I get is emulation kids... and from the artistic point of view that how they must look like A) Not everyone plays games for either "preservation" or nostalgia. I don't care about either of these things, so the games don't have to look any particular way that they looked 20 or 30 years ago. That is not important to me even remotely. B) Not everyone who doesn't share your preference is an "emulation kid" whatever the hell that means. First... there is nothing wrong with emulation if that is what people prefer. Secondly, as many have stated we did in fact grow up playing these games on original hardware, this particular issue just isn't important to us, or at least not as important as it is to you. It's ok for other people to have a different preference for how these games look, than you do. It doesn't make them the philistines that you seem to be implying, the way you use emulation as a slur. Personally i've seen all the arguments about dither blending in old games. I'm willing to concede that some developers used it to their advantage, and may have intended the image to be seen with it. I still think it's ugly and don't prefer it. Sharp dithering looks preferable to me. ?‍♂️

He's been told this by multiple people many times. At this point it's moved from being passionate about it, to just trolling. Not because of the insistence that it should be an option that works a certain way... but for constantly berating anyone that doesn't prefer the look. I grew up playing genesis over rf... it's ugly (just like anything else over rf), I don't prefer the smeared vaseline look, regardless of what the intent of the developers was.

I've been saying for years that 8BitDo's dpads are horrendous. Although I have never had an issue with the receivers and connectivity. I've praised the receivers as great if you like to use PS4 controllers for most things, which... I do. The M30 is the first controller I liked from them, and I actually prefer it over Krikzz' controller because it is just a little more comfortable fit in my hands. It is the only controller i use for genesis now, and I use the bluetooth one on MiSTer. I grabbed the new 2.4ghz NES and SNES style controllers. In initial testing the dpads on mine seemed fine, but I haven't spent a ton of time with either of them yet.

Yeah, I was going to say that, especially since they say they are in Europe which I thought had RGB capable consumer tvs... but that's a whole other issue. I assumed from the level of fanatacism over the issue they purposely yanked the RGB wires out of everything they ever had in favor of the glory of composite. ?‍♂️

That's not what was said. They said that issue for a sample size of 1 makes it not a major issue. Doesn't matter how important you think the game is. Yes, this should be fixed... but don't overblow it. This is nonsensical for a number of reasons. A) the average age on this forum swings way older, so it makes more sense to assume most people who own a megasg actually did own at least one of these consoles in some form growing up. B) The rest of the comment is half-true with a generous amount of opinionated nonsense. While it is true that some graphics were designed to blend with the poor quality composite and viewing devices of the time, that doesn't make someone who doesn't prefer a blurry mess "wrong". The pixel data is what's there... so whether you were meant to see it that way or not, it exists.

I don't think anyone is taking issue with speaking the truth, or at least your take on it. And I don't even necessarily disagree with anything you seem to have taken issue with. But your delivery really does sound like a twelve year old throwing a tantrum.

Maybe. It could just be an issue with the everdrive itself not accepting the reset signal. If you hit reset It just basically loads up a solid colored screen and freezes. If it's at the menu, it loads up a gray solid screen. If it was a sonic game, it loaded up a turquoise solid screen. But it never goes anywhere from there.

Ah, OK. Thanks for the info. Just to note: I was already on boot to menu, and it still has this problem. Pressing reset works for normal GG carts, but does not work if the cart is a GG Everdrive.

So I just got time to mess with my replacement GG cart adapter, and I noticed it isn't loading the settings associated with the GG core, it is still set as Genesis mode when running the cartridge. I wasn't sure if this is the expected behavior or if it was supposed to load the core settings. I went back and read this topic around the late 500s pages and there was at least one post of someone saying it was supposed to know which core to use based on the adapter being inserted. I went back and tested my SMS card adapter, and it too only loads the genesis settings. The games seem to play fine in either case, but the video settings and core settings are displaying the genesis options. I am running the JB 7.7 fw. I'm just trying to figure out if this is the normal behavior, or if something is amiss with my setup, and what that could be.

Ugh, but the awful wires.

Sure, but I'm not talking about modern games, i'm talking about using ps4 controllers with 8bitdo or brooks BT receivers on nes/snes/ps1/ps2/etc. I see lots of people complain about the bluetooth lag, but I just don't think it makes as much of an impact as people say.

Nope, no CRT here. ? Would like to own one, but no room where I have my game setup. Like I said though, I'm not saying the lag isn't there, just that in any games i've ever played it either isn't important or I compensate for it. I don't play fighting games a lot, nor find anything appealing about speedrunning or anything like that though, so I may just not need that level of perfect timing.

Agreed, given that I'm so generally underwhelmed with 8bitdo's products due to questionable dpads, the M30 is a great controller. Would love to see it be compatible with the saturn. Both of my retrobit ones had the c button stick and had to be filed down. Seems ok now, but I don't really play saturn much anyway, so not positive. As far as the BT vs 2.4Ghz, I understand the objectively measurable lag... but I can't tell the difference at all. Been using ps4 controllers on most consoles for several years now, and I don't have any issues with input lag that seem to affect gameplay.

I feel like only people with severe nostalgia to the point of brain damage, or a strong desire for carpal tunnel syndrome prefer the atari joystick to pretty much any controller that can substitute for it including other joysticks if you are so inclined. It's stiff and just awful, and as many lefties complain, not lefty friendly if you care about such things. So yeah, an NES pad works fine. Generally even fans of the SMS acknowledge that the design of the SMS pad is functional, but not great. In fact I remember watching something recently where someone (maybe coury from MLIG) was talking about how the buttons feel mushy aren't aren't spectacular on it. So I'd say a NES pad is probably superior feeling. I can't remember if the start button was mapped to pause or not. At the time I first got my Nt Mini the alternative core i was most interested in was the SMS because of how they are so plagued with jailbars on actual hardware. Now though i'd prefer to play the SMS on the Mega SG since it has more video settings/scanline options. Other than playing some SMS at the time I've never really used most of the other cores other than for testing and screwing around with. I really use it as just a NES machine. If you don't have a lot of the other hardware it's a great thing, but I guess I prefer dedicated machines for most things. I mean I have had a full MiSTer setup since forever, and I never really use that much either other than for tinkering. I'm not really a MiSTer evangelist at all, but if what you want is a box that loads up as many cores as possible, that is probably your better bet. I mean there is a way of hooking up most controllers to it one way or another. So for your needs that seems both more functional and more cost effective (edit: since you don't care about carts at all).

Yeah, this is exactly the issue, the layout of the contact pads is totally different and it affects what counts as a press. The actual dpad feel is fine in their controllers, but can't play the first level of contra on basically any of them. Trying to duck under the wall guns only works half the time, the other half it is triggering down + right instead of just down. You can just be extra deliberate in your presses to fix this, but it's an annoyance that isn't present on official controllers.

I've tried a number of their controllers, and have been disappointed with the dpad on all of them except the M30 genesis ones. I have no issues with that one at all, actually my preferred controller for genesis. The snes one I was able to fix with some electrical tape covering part of the pads, but I never ended up really using it. I use a ps4 controller linked to the snes/nes receivers for most things, just feels more comfortable to me, but I'm not a purist by any means and have no particular nostalgia for any controllers.

Well I mean if you just hate complaints of any kind, then sure... I won't argue that point with you. I would even agree and say the community as a whole is pretty entitled , but I think that is just microcosm that reflects modern culture as a whole. I think with the prevalence of things like amazon where it really can be: your way, yesterday, for 5 cents; people just forget that not everything can be like that. On the other hand that doesn't mean that some of the people speaking up don't have legitimate grievances.

I'll start by saying I actually don't have anything to complain about from analogue, other than the shipping being a bit high which honestly doesn't bother me that much. I like their products, and I generally agree with the sentiment that the world without them would suck. I exclusively use their products for playing nes, snes, gen at this point and have disconnected my original consoles for those libraries, a while ago. I get the impression that they just have an extremely poor PR side of their company. They tend to not answer questions and lack transparency, and just seem really not customer focused at all. While people aren't necessarily entitled to either of those things, it frustrates them. Their shipping cost issues have been a complaint since I think the nt mini... maybe just the super nt, I don't recall, but pretty much their entire customer base and many potential customers have commented on it being terrible. They could easily attempt to find another shipping provider (or whatever it's called), or at least explain why that isn't possible. They do neither as far as I know, so it basically seems to people like they just DGAF. As far as the adapters, they were supposed to be released earlier, cheaper, sold individually. None of that happened. On top of that there weren't enough to go around. Hopefully another run is large enough to alleviate that, but I think most people are under the impression that it won't be. A pre-order would have avoided this problem. I mean I got my adapters, and I would have always ordered all of them anyway... but most people just seem to want the game gear one. And the shipping again was pretty ridiculous, although I think the packaging was more than people were expecting in terms of size. It's not really about being perfect I think, it's about people having issues and the perception being that they aren't really seeing much in the way of improvement. I mean I know answering questions takes effort, but then... i guess posting endless gifs of games is just as good.

Indeed, this does fix it, and fixes it for MiSTer as well. Thanks! Still probably going to stick with my everdrive out of habit though for NES.

I guess I'd also make the point that you can argue the intention, but which you think looks better is a matter of personal preference. I personally prefer the dithered look, as all of the blended images just look ugly and smeared to me. My brain interprets the dithering as translucent automatically anyway... so it seems fine to me. I had a genesis running on composite on a crappy little tv when i was a kid. I'm glad technology has progressed.

I don't think most people would argue that at least in many cases the dithering was used as a means of blending or transparency on consumer equipment. I think the point was: by all means point out that it's an issue and how it could be improved... but saying things like " You are seeing it wrong " and " I am starting to believe that most people only knew the emulated Genesis (no blending artifacts) and they never really knew the system back in the day. " are both debatable and at the very best elitist and obnoxious. Personally dithering doesn't bother me... but I don't doubt it can annoy some people. Saying you are seeing what is actually there as "wrong" because signal fidelity and display technology have both improved is just a factually incorrect statement. You are seeing what is actually there, regardless of what the intended final result was supposed to look like after expected distortion.