pis Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Hi, im wondering if there are two diffrent labels on the PAL version of robin hood / sir lancelot cart from xonox, or are one of these pics of a ntsc cart ? Both the pics are listed as PAL, one is from atari mania and the other retroview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Whoops, never mind. I don't know Edited May 18, 2007 by Crazy Climber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarimania75 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Yeah the one on the left sure looks like NTSC to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pis Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) The first pic is from retroview (pal list) and is a pic of a ntsc cart then ? Edited May 18, 2007 by pis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarimania75 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 The first pic is from retroview (pal list) and is a pic of a ntsc cart then ? I am just saying it the left pic looks very much like NTSC but u might want to wait until Marco or someone more knowledgable tells u for sure. I am sure Marco would know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pis Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidbrad3141 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think the color of the case may help indicate distribution. Black vs. gray. Someone here knows I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pis Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) The question is : are they both pal or is one ntsc ? I got the one (pic2) that atari mania has a pic of and im pretty shure its pal (i would not mind if it is ntsc though ). Edited May 18, 2007 by pis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 It's very simple: Xonox carts with a diagonal line on it are NTSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 It's very simple: Xonox carts with a diagonal line on it are NTSC. Negative, I have had PAL versions of both pictured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Strange. Edited May 18, 2007 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Xonox was a division of K-tel, same with Bomb. When a company is that big they probably mix/matched all kinds of parts including stickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Yes, must be something like that. Generally speaking: Xonox carts with a diagonal line on it are NTSC. Something else: do Xonox PAL single-enders actually exist? Edited May 18, 2007 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Something else: do Xonox PAL single-enders actually exist? I sure hope so, then I might actually find them CIB for a resonable price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarimania75 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Boy! Xonox is even goofier than some of us on these forums 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Xonox was a division of K-tel, same with Bomb. When a company is that big they probably mix/matched all kinds of parts including stickers. And Ktel was a division of Goliath/Bitcorp, I believe. There must have been one factory in Taiwan pumping out all these pirated games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 The diagonal line RH/SL is sometimes PAL: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Atari-2600-Double-E...1QQcmdZViewItem I've never seen the horizontal line version of RH/SL in NTSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pis Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Thanx for answering my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) I've never seen the horizontal line version of RH/SL in NTSC. I've never seen this one with a diagonal line: http://atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?VERS...7330&MENU=2 Edited May 18, 2007 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt_Woloch Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Xonox was a division of K-tel, same with Bomb. When a company is that big they probably mix/matched all kinds of parts including stickers. And Ktel was a division of Goliath/Bitcorp, I believe. There must have been one factory in Taiwan pumping out all these pirated games I wonder if that can be true. K-Tel was/is also a record company. I've got two hit sampler tapes by them from 1978 and 1982, and they also had LP's... I've got one called "Disco Dance" where a Hungarian orchestra plays instrumental versions of Disco classics like "Y.M.C.A.", and I also had two Smurf LP's by them, that were popular here in Austria in the early 80's. In contrast to that, I never heard of Goliath outside the Atari 2600 world, whereas Bit Corp. also produced hardware... I can remember the Bit 60, which was a computer based on the Atari 2600, and the Bit 90, a computer based on the Colecovision. Both of them were able to play the carts for the game system they were based on. I've never seen one of those computers, but at least the Bit 90 was reviewed in a computer mag back then, and I also saw a listing for it which revealed that its BASIC was very similar to that of the TI-99 in terms of graphics commands. So, I don't think K-Tel could have been a division of Bit Corp. or vice-versa. I think it's a similar situation like with the budget tapes where companies bought each other's cover tracks to release them. I've got about 20 tapes and LP's with cover versions by different companies, and in many cases, where there are duplicates, you'll hear the same cover version although it's been released by a different company, though there are also songs with different versions. For instance, I've got an LP "Hits for young people" by Europa and a tape called "Internationale Hitparade" by Jackson. On them, there's the same cover version of "Baby it's you" by the Promises, but two different versions of "In the navy" by Village People. So, it may have been a similar thing with K-Tel, Goliath, Bit Corp. and Hot Shot. K-Tel had its records in all the department stores and probably found ways to put video games there too under their name. Bit Corp. may have gone for the computer stores where their hardware also was found. And the other two names... well, that may be the actual names of the companies who did the games. Probably, we'll never know... best bet is to look at the screen. Some screens show "Bit Corp.", some show "Goliath" and some show "K-Tel" (like the title screen of "It's only Rock'n'Roll"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 And who's to say that K-Tel Software has anything to do with K-Tel Vision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirantho Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 And who's to say that K-Tel Software has anything to do with K-Tel Vision? K-Tel basically rebranded and imported a ton of different stuff I think, and records and Atari 2600 carts were among them. Not sure exactly what they did though. If it helps any, I know that some of the people who have been involved with the company are still contactable - check out record websites and forums, such as www.recordcollectorsguild.org, as K-Tel are a well-known brand in the world of LPs I think. 99% sure it's the same company though. Incidentally, you'll also notice that "Carrere" (who brand the PAL versions of US Games) are also a record label - same font and label style on vinyl as their carts. And I believe that Carrere games were distributed by K-Tel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jgkspsx Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Sorry to bump a 15 year old thread, but it is the one Google knows about! Sir Lancelot is one of the 2600 carts I don’t have that I really want, as it is as close to Pegasus and the Phantom Riders as I can get until I get my CoCo sorted. So when I spotted this diagonally laid out cart on Facebook marketplace and found this thread on Google I got all excited: But alas and alack! When I actually read the description, I learned that it appears to be the PAL version according to the seller: So I guess this is the example that proves the rule ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 I believe an NTSC version of the game must exist but I've never seen one myself for NTSC. I own the cart but it is in a light grey colored shell and it is most definitely the PAL version. Mine is the single ender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shear_xear Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 I have one that seems to be NTSC (came with another double ender in a lot with a bunch of other NTSC games). Colors look totally fine on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
AtariAge on Instagram
Watch us on YouTube
Chat on Discord
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.