gambler172 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 (edited) walter_protos.zipHi Guys Like i said.I shipped my 7800 protos to Eckhard Stolberg.He dumped the roms for me. Here they are.While Xevious and Food Fight are different from the release version,Dig Dug seems to be the same. And the 7800 "Diagnostic" (i got it from a friend,who got it from a former Atari engineer) seems to be a different version too. Enjoy And many thanks and greetings to Eckhard. greetings Walter Edited April 7, 2008 by gambler172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oesii Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thanks for sharing. I'm not a proto collector but I do like all the discussion about them and their history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Neat, I'll have to check these out. BTW do you have pictures of the protos? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckhard Stolberg Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Neat, I'll have to check these out. BTW do you have pictures of the protos? Tempest Since I still have Walter's protos, I thought I'd post a quick picture of them. Food Fight and Xevious are boards only. Dig Dug and the diagnostics test cart come in plain Atari cases. Unfortunately the diagnostics cart has a warranty sticker over the screw hole. I don't know of a way to get these off and back on undamaged, so I didn't dare opening the case. I'll leave that to Walter when he gets his protos back. Ciao, Eckhard Stolberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi Guys great,that Eckhard took a picture.But Dig Dug was only a board too.I put it in an empty case,to keep it safer.The Diagnostic cart came with this sticker on it.I also own a Pole Position II proto,but i could not get it to run.So i did not ship it to Eckhard,because it seems not to run. And i own a proto of "AVCS Tech Challenge"(i know,it is a 2600 game),which only works right on a 7800 system. greetings Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzillajoe Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 So how is Food Fight different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 So how is Food Fight different? You're going to have to play with it and find out. I haven't had a chance to look at these yet, but just because they test differently doesn't mean the differences are going to be noticable. I hope it's something interesting though. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Guysgreat,that Eckhard took a picture.But Dig Dug was only a board too.I put it in an empty case,to keep it safer.The Diagnostic cart came with this sticker on it.I also own a Pole Position II proto,but i could not get it to run.So i did not ship it to Eckhard,because it seems not to run. And i own a proto of "AVCS Tech Challenge"(i know,it is a 2600 game),which only works right on a 7800 system. greetings Walter You should send that Pole Position to Eckhard at some point to get dumped anyway. It may have enough bit rot so that it won't start but there may still be enough of the code left to see if it's any different than the released version. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Guysgreat,that Eckhard took a picture.But Dig Dug was only a board too.I put it in an empty case,to keep it safer.The Diagnostic cart came with this sticker on it.I also own a Pole Position II proto,but i could not get it to run.So i did not ship it to Eckhard,because it seems not to run. And i own a proto of "AVCS Tech Challenge"(i know,it is a 2600 game),which only works right on a 7800 system. greetings Walter You should send that Pole Position to Eckhard at some point to get dumped anyway. It may have enough bit rot so that it won't start but there may still be enough of the code left to see if it's any different than the released version. Mitch Hi Mitch I will talk to Eckhard and if he can dump it,i will ship it to him greetings Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Propane13 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Walter, as I said before, this is a very, very cool thing that you've done for the community. Thanks for sharing! When I get some time, I'll make a point of checking out your diagnostic cart. I've gotta finish Scrapyard Dog maps first tho. -John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 I had a quick look at the proto diag cart and it looks like it is nearly identical to the second half of the final diag cart. I noticed also that the cart is unsigned and fails on a standard 7800. Makes me wonder if it was designed to go with the proto 7800 BIOS that Curt dug up a while ago. I'll have to try that when I have some time. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbaeza Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Unfortunately the diagnostics cart has a warranty sticker over the screw hole. I don't know of a way to get these off and back on undamaged, so I didn't dare opening the case. Eckhard Use a hairdryer to peel that label off... Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckhard Stolberg Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Use a hairdryer to peel that label off... I've returned the protos to Walter, so he would have to try that. I'm not sure this trick would work too well on the warranty stickers though, as they are designed to tear easily. Ciao, Eckhard Stolberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Has anyone taken a closer look at these? I took a quick look tonight and saw that Xevious had a different title screen. The games seem to play the same though. I'm sure there are some other differences, as I only spent about 3 minutes looking at them. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpubba Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) Why not dump the carts without opening them? I've done that for valuable Atari 8bit carts. Edited August 9, 2007 by djpubba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 I don't see any differences in Food Fight. And I've played that game to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Why not dump the carts without opening them? I've done that for valuable Atari 8bit carts. Actually they've already been dumped. The suggestion to open the one was to get a picture. Tempest; I took a look at the diag cart and it seems the part that's missing compared to the final version is the part for the color adjustment screen. The actual diagnostic part seems to work similar to the final version, though I didn't really test it that much. Incidentally, the 7800 loopback plugs do work properly with it. One of these days I'm going to try it with the beta 7800 BIOS and see if it does anything different. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpubba Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Actually they've already been dumped. The suggestion to open the one was to get a picture. Oh, well, that's what x-ray machines are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 PolePosition2Proto.binHi Guys Here is a dump of my Pole position proto.Maybe Eckhard can tell something about,why it does not work. greetings Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hey Walter: On quick glance, it looks like the binary is not signed. I don't have the necessary files here at work - if someone else doesn't try signing it I'll do it when I get home and see if it works then. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi Bob Eckhard told me something about a special bios(for developpers),which this kind of bin needs.Maybe Mitch or Curt can help. greetings Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckhard Stolberg Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hey Walter: On quick glance, it looks like the binary is not signed. I don't have the necessary files here at work - if someone else doesn't try signing it I'll do it when I get home and see if it works then. Bob The first games that GCC did for the 7800 were created on modified 7800 consoles that had a special BIOS installed. It would allow transmitting data through one of the joystick ports. Walter's Pole Position II proto is switching to the BIOS several times, which is why I'm assuming that it was writtin for one of those GCC developer 7800s. Since Atari's BIOS doesn't have the code that the game expects, it wouldn't work on a normal 7800 even if the binary was signed. Ciao, Eckhard Stolberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Ahh... Thanks for the explanation, and sorry for my mis-information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Did anyone else notice that there is a significant chunk of the 7800 BIOS BIN data in there? I also seem to remember when the 7800 was first announced that it was supposed to have Pole Position 2 built-in to the BIOS. Like they later did with Asteroids. Hmm... Mitch PS Any chance of a picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 So I'm assuming this won't work on a CC2 either? Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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