Mike Harris Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 3:52 PM, youki said: i still do not understand how "collectors" work... Why Gnz goes so high in price , while there are other colecovision games that have been produced in less quantities that never go so high. A big mistery for me. You could say , it is because the game is good , but this argument do not work , as now there is knight'n more that is more or less the same game but better. Because someone passed a rumor that they were rare. I would have thought that the SGM module was created for original content. The original Super Game Module expansion #3 was to play Super Games on wafer drives. Seriously... If you are going to extend the capabilities of the Colecovision then make new content to take advantage of them instead of just porting MSX and ADAM games. Where's the nostalgia of playing an MSX game on a different system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 2:52 PM, youki said: i still do not understand how "collectors" work... Why Gnz goes so high in price , while there are other colecovision games that have been produced in less quantities that never go so high. A big mistery for me. You could say , it is because the game is good , but this argument do not work , as now there is knight'n more that is more or less the same game but better. Maybe they consider it a prototype? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loafer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Mike Harris said: Because someone passed a rumor that they were rare. I would have thought that the SGM module was created for original content. The original Super Game Module expansion #3 was to play Super Games on wafer drives. Seriously... If you are going to extend the capabilities of the Colecovision then make new content to take advantage of them instead of just porting MSX and ADAM games. Where's the nostalgia of playing an MSX game on a different system. I guess I am in a minority as I have never understood this argument obviously people love original content, but why is it wrong if the games are also ports? A lot of people never had access to MSX computers or the ADAM. The only thing that should matter is: is it a good game and Will it sell so that the dev gets a return on his/her investment. Apparently MSX converted games can sell in sufficient qualities so there’s a market there. At the end of the day, MSX or other converted games ARE new colecovision content, from a certain POV Disclaimer: I am not a current client for homebrew (i am a rom digital buyer, not a cart buyer) so I don’t have a fish to fry but that doesn’t prevent me from having an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Mike Harris said: Because someone passed a rumor that they were rare. I would have thought that the SGM module was created for original content. The original Super Game Module expansion #3 was to play Super Games on wafer drives. Seriously... If you are going to extend the capabilities of the Colecovision then make new content to take advantage of them instead of just porting MSX and ADAM games. Where's the nostalgia of playing an MSX game on a different system. What percentage of SGM cartridges are new code rather than ported code? What was needed by homebrewers was large capacity cartridges to break the 32k barrier and that was achieved separately from the SGM. Afterall the purpose of the original SGM that Coleco envisioned was to provide large capacity games on tape. If you were to program a new colecovision game with all new code wouldn't you just use the extra sound chip as an option. Edited September 3, 2019 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Loafer said: I guess I am in a minority as I have never understood this argument obviously people love original content, but why is it wrong if the games are also ports? A lot of people never had access to MSX computers or the ADAM. The only thing that should matter is: is it a good game and Will it sell so that the dev gets a return on his/her investment. Apparently MSX converted games can sell in sufficient qualities so there’s a market there. At the end of the day, MSX or other converted games ARE new colecovision content, from a certain POV Disclaimer: I am not a current client for homebrew (i am a rom digital buyer, not a cart buyer) so I don’t have a fish to fry but that doesn’t prevent me from having an opinion I get what you are saying but if you want to play an MSX game you can do it on a webpage, emulator, your phone... Just the mere selection of the chips gives the impression that the SGM was created to play MSX ports. Hey, if you have the money and want to spend $60 on a 40 year old game just because it was moved to a Colecovision then who am I to judge but there is nothing nostalgia or new about it. Not a classic and not a collectors item short of being in short supply. And if I had to bet... The carts were bought, copied then resold to recoup the premium price. Edited September 3, 2019 by Mike Harris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, mr_me said: What percentage of SGM cartridges are new code rather than ported code? What was needed by homebrewers was large capacity cartridges to break the 32k barrier and that was achieved separately from the SGM. Afterall the purpose of the original SGM that Coleco envisioned was to provide large capacity games on tape. In my research to program on the Coleco I have been studying MSX code as well. Go to MSX developer sites and changing Coleco to MSX or vice versa is just a few values. So it's not a mystery why there are plenty of MSX ports. If you are going to expand the Coleco then create something new that utilizes the new stuff. Something I have yet to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mike Harris said: If you are going to expand the Coleco then create something new that utilizes the new stuff. Something I have yet to see. Nothing nostalgic about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
128Kgames Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 20 hours ago, Mike Harris said: Because someone passed a rumor that they were rare. I would have thought that the SGM module was created for original content. The original Super Game Module expansion #3 was to play Super Games on wafer drives. Seriously... If you are going to extend the capabilities of the Colecovision then make new content to take advantage of them instead of just porting MSX and ADAM games. Where's the nostalgia of playing an MSX game on a different system. The original SGM module was designed to play super games (enhanced arcade ports and original content), and the modern SGM does the same same thing (enhanced arcade ports and original content). So I am not understanding you here. Are you saying none of the modern SGM games are original content? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, 128Kgames said: Are you saying none of the modern SGM games are original content? According to CV Addict, here is a list of SGM games so far. I've attempted to look up the /probable/ source for each per forum or web comments. Some ports are enhanced - I don't specify here whether it is or is not. Non-authoritative, my sources are dubious. Please correct any errors below. Bosconian Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Buck Rogers Super Game Team Pixelboy 2013 Adam port Caos Begins Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Caverns of Titan Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Children of the Night Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Cold Blood Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Comic Bakery Collectorvision 2014 MSX port Danger Tower Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Deep Dungeon Adventure Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Dragon's Lair Team Pixelboy 2012 Adam port Galaga Collectorvision 2014 MSX port Ghostbusters Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Goonies, The Team Pixelboy 2012 MSX port Gradius Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Heroes Arena Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Hole In One Collectorvision 2017 MSX port J.E.T.P.A.C. Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Jumpland Collectorvision 2016 MSX port King & Balloon Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port King's Valley Team Pixelboy 2012 MSX port Knight Lore Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Knightmare Team Pixelboy 2015 MSX port Kung-Fu Master Collectorvision 2016 MSX port Majikazo Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Mappy Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Mecha-8 Team Pixelboy 2013 MSX port Mecha-9 Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Monster House Collectorvision 2017 MSX port Operation Wolf Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Penguin Adventure Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Rally-X Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Roller Ball Collectorvision 2013 MSX port Sasa Collectorvision 2016 MSX port Secret of the Moai Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Shmup! Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Shouganai Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Spelunker Team Pixelboy 2015 MSX port Star Soldier Collectorvision 2016 MSX port Stray Cat Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Subroc Super Game Team Pixelboy 2014 Adam port Super Pac-Man Team Pixelboy 2016 Sord M5 port Tank Battalion Opcode Games 2016 MSX port The Stone of Wisdom Team Pixelboy 2015 MSX port Thexder Team Pixelboy 2012 MSX port Traffic Jam Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port TwinBee Team Pixelboy 2014 MSX port Txupinazo! Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Warp & Warp Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Wizard of Wor Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Zanac Collectorvision 2015 MSX port Zaxxon Super Game Team Pixelboy 2012 Adam port Zombie Incident Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port It would appear none of those games are original. I thought there were some. Perhaps there are others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
128Kgames Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tursi said: According to CV Addict, here is a list of SGM games so far. I've attempted to look up the /probable/ source for each per forum or web comments. Some ports are enhanced - I don't specify here whether it is or is not. Non-authoritative, my sources are dubious. Please correct any errors below. Bosconian Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Buck Rogers Super Game Team Pixelboy 2013 Adam port Caos Begins Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Caverns of Titan Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Children of the Night Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Cold Blood Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Comic Bakery Collectorvision 2014 MSX port Danger Tower Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Deep Dungeon Adventure Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Dragon's Lair Team Pixelboy 2012 Adam port Galaga Collectorvision 2014 MSX port Ghostbusters Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Goonies, The Team Pixelboy 2012 MSX port Gradius Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Heroes Arena Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Hole In One Collectorvision 2017 MSX port J.E.T.P.A.C. Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Jumpland Collectorvision 2016 MSX port King & Balloon Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port King's Valley Team Pixelboy 2012 MSX port Knight Lore Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Knightmare Team Pixelboy 2015 MSX port Kung-Fu Master Collectorvision 2016 MSX port Majikazo Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Mappy Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Mecha-8 Team Pixelboy 2013 MSX port Mecha-9 Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Monster House Collectorvision 2017 MSX port Operation Wolf Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Penguin Adventure Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Rally-X Team Pixelboy 2016 MSX port Roller Ball Collectorvision 2013 MSX port Sasa Collectorvision 2016 MSX port Secret of the Moai Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Shmup! Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Shouganai Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Spelunker Team Pixelboy 2015 MSX port Star Soldier Collectorvision 2016 MSX port Stray Cat Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Subroc Super Game Team Pixelboy 2014 Adam port Super Pac-Man Team Pixelboy 2016 Sord M5 port Tank Battalion Opcode Games 2016 MSX port The Stone of Wisdom Team Pixelboy 2015 MSX port Thexder Team Pixelboy 2012 MSX port Traffic Jam Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port TwinBee Team Pixelboy 2014 MSX port Txupinazo! Team Pixelboy 2017 MSX port Warp & Warp Opcode Games 2016 MSX port Wizard of Wor Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port Zanac Collectorvision 2015 MSX port Zaxxon Super Game Team Pixelboy 2012 Adam port Zombie Incident Team Pixelboy 2018 MSX port It would appear none of those games are original. I thought there were some. Perhaps there are others. Damn, you Sir are good, I too thought there were original SGM games. Until CollectorVision or Team Pixelboy chime in then. I salute you two times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) Some of the games were written for both MSX and colecovision by the same author: Chaos begins, Children of the night, multiverse, Mecha-8, Mecha 9, and Zombie Incident Edited September 4, 2019 by Bmack36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 This all sounds like Mike quoting the same blogger as the "price of Phoenix is not competitive so people should not be buying it" crap. And how did a comment about the price of GnZ on eBay get a response about his dislike of SGM games?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bmack36 said: Some of the games were written for both MSX and colecovision by the same author: Chaos begins, Children of the night, multiverse, Mecha-8, Mecha 9, and Zombie Incident Also Shouganai and Cold Blood - though for these two the MSX version was released first, then the same team ported to ColecoVision. I don't know the order for the others, the Paxanga homepage specifically called out these two. After a little research, Nanochess's page seems to say that Mecha-8 is a port, but Mecha-9 looks like simultaneous development? So that would count as original content! Edited September 4, 2019 by Tursi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digress Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 i know for a fact there are some original exclusive games coming for the phoenix and after all the game system is just now shipping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Swami said: And how did a comment about the price of GnZ on eBay get a response about his dislike of SGM games?? I was wondering the same thing ... lol ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Swami said: This all sounds like Mike quoting the same blogger as the "price of Phoenix is not competitive so people should not be buying it" crap. And how did a comment about the price of GnZ on eBay get a response about his dislike of SGM games?? No one is saying don't buy or anything else of that sort. I am simply saying NOTHING nostalgia, NOTHING new, Just ports. The Phoenix is someones brain child that was dreamed of and made reality, more than I have ever done, KUDOS... Regardless, nothing new other than the shell it comes in at a premium price. I still have plans to buy one once they add the ADAM core but it brings nothing new to the table. Who said I dislike SGM games? Now you are just including your take on things. All these so called SUPER GAMES are nothing new other than change a bit of code to work on a Colecovision. I never said they were garbage or don't buy them. Spend your money any way you want...enjoy And AGAIN... If you are going to expand the capabilities of the Colecovision then create original content. When you look at the SGM as a whole, from the outside, it looks like it was created for the sole purpose of porting MSX and ADAM Super Games with minimal effort. While the ORIGINAL SGM EXP#3 was supposed to expand the Coleco Library to Super Status with new levels and high score saving. So go on Ebay, pay the premium price and put it on the shelf with the rest of your collection. Enjoy, have fun...no one is stopping you. Edited September 4, 2019 by Mike Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, digress said: i know for a fact there are some original exclusive games coming for the phoenix and after all the game system is just now shipping. And I am all for that. I am just waiting for everything to roll out and the ADAM Core before I get mine. I originally wanted to expand Venture to Super Venture which included all the treasures and what not missing from the Coleco version but retroillucid informed me that they bought Exidy and the Venture title so... Maybe with their permission I can complete the Coleco Venture while they have theirs. I'm not looking to compete more than I am to have the completed version in the Coleco library. Then again time is money. I have 15 titles in my list so far, two that I am working on as we speak. An ADAM hardware project and the Adventure game no one cared about so I set that to the side. A few of my games are ports but coded from scratch. When I get my Phoenix I have absolute plans to create exclusive games. I have already fleshed out a new platform game that uses the extra power. VERY original and cute. Edited September 4, 2019 by Mike Harris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Another insane buy that was once $1.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ColecoVision-Controller-SEALED-Atari-2600-Adam-Commodore-64-Vic-20/264447166441?hash=item3d924787e9:g:AvMAAOSwWkxdaGIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
128Kgames Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Mike Harris said: I originally wanted to expand Venture to Super Venture which included all the treasures and what not missing from the Coleco version but retroillucid informed me that they bought Exidy and the Venture title so... Now that is ironic, isn't it? Super Venture would be fantastic - Venture was one of my favorite ColecoVision titles back in '82. I hope something can be worked out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) On 9/4/2019 at 6:58 PM, 128Kgames said: Now that is ironic, isn't it? Super Venture would be fantastic - Venture was one of my favorite ColecoVision titles back in '82. I hope something can be worked out. I'm sure whatever they release will be great. I think it is in 3D or something. The reality, from what I understand, is that, just like many hacks out there, anyone can alter the original Coleco version to change the treasures or whatever and put it into public domain as long as they aren't making money. If people want to start crying fowl then they can be reminded of all the titles they don't own but are selling as we speak. I just don't have the time right now because I have 20 other projects along with remodeling my house. Edited September 6, 2019 by Mike Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Is this guy any legit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHALLENGER-for-Colecovision-ADAM-Cartridge-NEW-CIB-NO-SGM-needed/333324896269?hash=item4d9bb6480d:g:DU4AAOSwLGpddwWr Edited September 10, 2019 by Mike Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mike Harris said: Is this guy any legit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHALLENGER-for-Colecovision-ADAM-Cartridge-NEW-CIB-NO-SGM-needed/333324896269?hash=item4d9bb6480d:g:DU4AAOSwLGpddwWr Yes. I know he works with Atariage's Albert and I think he works with Gooddealgames. Probably just got his Challengers today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, Swami said: Yes. I know he works with Atariage's Albert and I think he works with Gooddealgames. Probably just got his Challengers today. Now I can finally get this. I have been waiting a long time now. 55 minutes ago, Swami said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harris Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Prime Condition, near mint. Already lost 2 bids so far. Maybe you guys will have better luck. It looks legit, never used Colecovision...Small defects in packaging. NOT MINE https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coleco-ColecoVision-Console-Never-used-new-in-box-w-Donkey-Kong/143379613238?epid=109437726&hash=item2162174636:g:LG8AAOSwgWddeELO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingus Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 8:49 PM, Mike Harris said: Prime Condition, near mint. Already lost 2 bids so far. Maybe you guys will have better luck. It looks legit, never used Colecovision...Small defects in packaging. NOT MINE https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coleco-ColecoVision-Console-Never-used-new-in-box-w-Donkey-Kong/143379613238?epid=109437726&hash=item2162174636:g:LG8AAOSwgWddeELO wow - nearly 5 days left and it's already almost $400....that is so minty, though. look at the top sticker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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