carmel_andrews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Linky only http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?client=tmpg&depth=1&hl=pl&langpair=pl%7Cen&rurl=translate.google.com&u=http://atarionline.pl/forum/comments.php%3FDiscussionID%3D2251%26page%3D1&usg=ALkJrhi7BTxb2TzG6YfiuHpJQX8_N9tUGQ#Item_0 soz for the translate thing since I don't speak the lingo Looks interesting, apparently a certain person here on AA was behind this new gfx mode (if you read the article/1st post) Seems to be a prob with the download though, keep getting this msg in polish (guessing that it's an error or something) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 What's in there? I can't get Google Translation in this mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmel_andrews Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 here's the original untranslated link http://atarionline.pl/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2251&page=1#Item_0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Its an effect seen when your ANTIC is warm enough so under emulation I'm not sure if the effect can be seen, one demo says the chips are not warm enough and to re run the init program to warm them. The picture of the knight is nice tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Heres the English... Here is a demo mode completed DGI and warming-measuring program DGF INIT. DGF is a whole family of modes based on the result of the delay function GTIA. I plan simple demo for other modes of this family. Knight In the demo, press 1 or 2 for the sub-images, 3 for both the interlace - DGI, 4 or 5 for DGX (DGI + tv interlace real Rybagsa). CRT TV and S-video connection strongly recommended. First you need to start and warm up DGF INIT layouts. Using the hair can be achieved already in 3 minutes. Enclosed madsie source. [edit] updated the files (2013-02-21). [/ edit] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 No way to see this in emulators. Anyone get the Knight picture in this Mode? Would like see a picture if someone could capture a good photo of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 So what we need are thermostatically controlled heaters to put on the ANTIC and GTIA chips to bring them up to the required temperature immediately.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Would like see a picture if someone could capture a good photo of it. Ditto... no way I'm gonna start heating up chips to satisfy my passing curiosity about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthpopalooza Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I remember Rybags was trying to do this to get the effect, but I don't think he had any success at this. Supposedly it's meant to produce the HIP shift when mixing Graphics 9 with 11 amongst other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hmmm... that would be useful, but not if I have to train my wife's hair-dryer set to turbo onto the motherboard to get it going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I had no luck getting it working when I tried. That included leaving a 130XE running for about 40 hours as well as trying for an hour in front of an air heater. Agreed on Metalguy's idea - some sort of direct method to induce heating is needed. Also more research to find if in fact this works on any chips or only certain batches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 My IDea was sarcasm.. Any graphics mode that requires the chips' physical termperature to be elevated higher than normal is kind of useless, don't you think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 If it had worked with just the normal 45 minutes running then it'd be useful. But needing to take extreme measures to have it work puts it into the interesting but not very usable basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I just want to see a photo of what it is we're missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Grilled GTIA mode, hilarious.... , on the other hand I have the right weather ingredients here in Canada to try my hands on Icicled GTIA mode, I really should give it a try...although I may have to move a bit further up-north to have it ON all the time Edited February 21, 2013 by atari8warez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) If it had worked with just the normal 45 minutes running then it'd be useful. But needing to take extreme measures to have it work puts it into the interesting but not very usable basket. Here's an idea, why don't you just overvoltage the GTIA....then you'll have it overheating permanently I've recently done this (by mistake of course) with my Cisco wireless adaptor. My USB hub (a cheap one of course) has a power adaptor connector but didn't come with one and I needed to power it externally to support many devices I had connected to it. While experimenting with my variable voltage power adapter I, by mistake fed 6.5 volt to the hub, that didn't go too well with my wireless adapter, it didn't die but started overheating at all times, and after it reaches a certain heat treshold it simply starts to mulfunction, so my solution was to strip it from its cover and attach a heat sink (a home made one of course) to keep it below frying heat levels. Strangely its performance skyrocketed, it is much faster now, although I am not sure whether it is the heat sink acting as a supplementary antenna or the extra heat it generates that provides the extra performance. Still it maybe worthwhile trying this with GTIA In any case I now have a FrankenCiscoDaptor as a wireless device which incidentally also helps me heat my office...... P.S: the heat sink is a bracket from an old PC enclosure http://youtu.be/gCcmorqgvZU Sorry, wasn't able to capture the smoke coming out of the adapter, ha ha.... Edited February 22, 2013 by atari8warez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Perhaps 'Global Warming' will solve this for us... in about 100 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 If Phaeron emulates this mode will it come with a virtual fire extinguisher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 And it is not even close to April 1st! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Z Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Here's an idea, why don't you just overvoltage the GTIA....then you'll have it overheating permanently I've recently done this (by mistake of course) with my Cisco wireless adaptor. My USB hub (a cheap one of course) has a power adaptor connector but didn't come with one and I needed to power it externally to support many devices I had connected to it. While experimenting with my variable voltage power adapter I, by mistake fed 6.5 volt to the hub, that didn't go too well with my wireless adapter, it didn't die but started overheating at all times, and after it reaches a certain heat treshold it simply starts to mulfunction, so my solution was to strip it from its cover and attach a heat sink (a home made one of course) to keep it below frying heat levels. Strangely its performance skyrocketed, it is much faster now, although I am not sure whether it is the heat sink acting as a supplementary antenna or the extra heat it generates that provides the extra performance. Still it maybe worthwhile trying this with GTIA In any case I now have a FrankenCiscoDaptor as a wireless device which incidentally also helps me heat my office...... P.S: the heat sink is a bracket from an old PC enclosure http://youtu.be/gCcmorqgvZU Sorry, wasn't able to capture the smoke coming out of the adapter, ha ha.... if it does better this way, it is probably because the higher voltage allows a larger power output of the transmit side of the device, simple ohms law says so. this could decrease the error rate, which would make it seem as if the link is faster. Of course, at the same time, it is no good if it damages it. Edited February 22, 2013 by Joey Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavros Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) I put the information on this forum on 2012 Dec 20th. Here it is: http://www.atariage....s/#entry2661408 Yesterday I simply updated the files on Polish forums (atarionline.pl and atari.org.pl). I just added 3 detectors and Bryan's VZI mode pictures (http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/136706-internal-antic-and-gtia-schematics/page__st__100?do=findComment&comment=1677517). The description of entire DGF topic is coming soon. Edited February 22, 2013 by pavros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezz Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I'm just reading the full details of this now at aol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Interesting that some details are missing. Look at the wagon. On the right, just low of center there is a diagonal line to be seen on the nominal picture. The "heated" detail one lacks that line. ??? I will be laughing my ass off (in a good way), if it turns out that cooking the chip just right actually delivers. Peltier closed loop temperature control upgrade kit with new game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 if it does better this way, it is probably because the higher voltage allows a larger power output of the transmit side of the device, simple ohms law says so. this could decrease the error rate, which would make it seem as if the link is faster. Of course, at the same time, it is no good if it damages it. Well, after I put that heat sink the device no longer shuts off and keeps working so far without damage, will see how long it will last. The performance is still at levels I have never witnessed before. My router is downstairs and two rooms away and I am getting the same speed I was getting when I first tested my adapter in the same room only a few feet away from the router. I have a feeling that the heat sink also helps as an antenna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmel_andrews Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Looking at the original link i referred to It looks like you need a 'heat retainer or conductor' applied to said ship in order to elicit the desired effect Since, merely applying additional heat to said chip won't do a jot, since as i understand it...a chip by it's own devices doesn't retain or conduct heat 2 heat retainers/conductors i know of are, hair (as mentioned in the link on post one) and glass only thing is though, applying extra heat via this retainer/conductor and then tranferred or channeled back into said chip, won't that increase voltage levels on that chip (somewhat likened to how solar panels work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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