theaveng Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 What was Atari Jaguar largest cart? I'm just curious how it compares to S-NES' Final Fantasy 6* (3 megabytes) and N64's Resident Evil 2 (64 megabytes). (* Japanese numbering) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariman Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 I think someone said that it was 4 megs. (correct me if I'm wrong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 Speak only of released carts, 4MB. It's technically possible to make a 6MB cart, but nobody mae a game that needed this (and I doubt there was even a PCB designed for it by Atari). Any bigger than that requires bankswitching. Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtboy69 Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 i went over to a couple of emulation sites that have jag roms and they seem to run in the 2 to 6 range zipped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someguy Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 Most games were 2 MB. A few of the released games were 4 MB: SkyHammer, BattleSphere, AvsP, not sure what others. No 6 MBs were released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 I'm pretty sure that those large N64 carts, like Resident Evil 2, use bank-switching as well. Basically, with Bank-switching, technically, the sky is the limit. AvP is supposed to be about 84megabytes compressed into a 4megabyte cart. This comes from the programmer's themselves. I have the interview in a Mag. I'd imagine this is also true of some other Jaguar games too, like Skyhammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 AvP is supposed to be about 84megabytes compressed into a 4megabyte cart. This comes from the programmer's themselves. Yes, but they're probably 'playing the numbers game': adding together all the sizes of their TIFF-encoded artwork before they converted it to JagPeg etc. Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 That's EXACTLY what they and I meant, 84 megabytes of data, BEFORE compression. Isn't that what I said? They weren't trying to fool anybody; Quote: "...the actual uncompressed size of AvP is close to 128megs!!! Atari's Jag-peg is used to compress the graphics at a ratio of about 8:1 without any loss of quality!" this came out of Gamefan magazine (known as Diehard Gamefan back then) in their "Inside Rebellion" article: Special Europa Feature. from IIRC a may '94 issue. Of course we know that compression was improved to about 12:1 or more since the version of Jag-peg they used. But, after re-reading the article, it appears the numbers they are using are Megabits, not megabytes, becaus they refer to it being a "16meg" cart, wich must mean 2megabyte, so I guess AvP is only a 2 megabyte cart after all: "Trying to make the levels interesting and varied and trying to cram in sampled sound effects hasn't been easy given the restrictions of a 16 meg cart." These quotes are directly from the mouth of Jason Kingsley, Creative Director of Rebellion (at the time) and Mike Beaton, the programmer of AvP. If AvP is 4 megabytes, they must have gotten the go-ahead from Atari after this interview to make it 4 megabytes, but this was VERY near the deadline and completion of the game, so who knows... so my 84megabyte quote was wrong anyway, I must be remembering that from another game...But, I'd like to know if the N64 game, RE2, is 64 true megabytes, or megabits, which would be an 8megabyte cart, which sounds a hell of a lot more reasonable, and if that is before or after compression, if any was used at all (if it truely was 64megabytes, which I find hard to chew in an N64 cart, after all, these things didn't sell for hundreds like NeoGeo carts, and a 64 MEGABYTE cart would cost a TON to manufacture!) I'm inclined to believe that Resident Evil 2 on the N64 was quoted as a "64meg" cart, which we know marketing uses to fool the consumer into thinking it's MEGABYTES when in actuality it's MEGABITS. if that's the case, then the N64's largest cart is 64megabits (8megabytes) and the Jag's is 32megabits (4megabytes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 What was Atari Jaguar largest cart? I'm just curious how it compares to S-NES' Final Fantasy 6* (3 megabytes) and N64's Resident Evil 2 (64 megabytes). (* Japanese numbering) The Alpine Board is the largest! It's about a foot wide and 8" tall!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 What was Atari Jaguar largest cart? I'm just curious how it compares to S-NES' Final Fantasy 6* (3 megabytes) and N64's Resident Evil 2 (64 megabytes). (* Japanese numbering) The Alpine Board is the largest! It's about a foot wide and 8" tall!!! I think my test fixture has it BEAT! It's even BIGGER! Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveng Posted March 4, 2003 Author Share Posted March 4, 2003 But, I'd like to know if the N64 game, RE2, is 64 true megabytes, or megabits, which would be an 8megabyte cart, which sounds a hell of a lot more reasonable... It's megaBYTES. Reason: RE2 used full-motion video. Other N64 ROM sizes: Mario64 8 megabytes Banjo-Kazooie 16 megabytes Zelda: Ocarina 32 megabytes Uncompressed, RE2 was around 5 gigabytes of movie. They used severe MPEG2 compression to squeeze it down to 64 megabytes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Well, I'm VERY impressed that they can sell those for under $100 then, (don't know what they go for, but I assume less than that) must be because of ridiculously large production runs that they are able to produce them cheaply enough with that much memory in ROM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Well, I'm VERY impressed that they can sell those for under $100 then, (don't know what they go for, but I assume less than that) must be because of ridiculously large production runs that they are able to produce them cheaply enough with that much memory in ROM! I believe they have their own custom chips and their own foundry to make them in. Also... mask ROMs are super cheap to make... once you have a $250,000 mask to use to create them from. You can also get a lot more storage on a mask ROM than on RAM or ROM because those types of memory are made up of several tiny components in each "cel" on the chip. A Mask ROM is just a little connection in a "cel". Instead of a couple transistors and capacitors in each cel, you just have a little bitty wire of sorts. So... you can pack a lot more cels into one chip and get grossly big density. Mask ROMS are just super cheap in comparison to programmable memory... but you gotta pay upfront for the mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveng Posted March 4, 2003 Author Share Posted March 4, 2003 Well, I'm VERY impressed that they can sell those for under $100 then, (don't know what they go for, but I assume less than that) must be because of ridiculously large production runs that they are able to produce them cheaply enough with that much memory in ROM!N64 carts solf for $60 or $70 new. In contrast, PS1 CDs were $50 new. Considering that 64MB RAM goes for $10, I wouldn't expect a ROM to be very expensive. The small storage space and large expense of N64 carts was one of the reasons many developers avoided the N64 and caused it to flop. The chose the PS1's cheap CDs for their games. SO, LARGEST CARTS: 3 megabytes Super Nintendo 4 megabytes Atari Jaguar 64 megabytes Nintendo64 I'm surprised the Jaguar did not use larger carts comparable to the N64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Without a doubt, Cybermorph has to be Jaguar's largest cart! (Also, it's the worst photo job in the world!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3V Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Yeah, but look at how big the 2MB version is! -Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 hahaha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+rdemming Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Yeah, but look at how big the 2MB version is! -Kevin Hmmm... This picture reminds me of a book called "2001- A space odyssee". The black monolith was a Cybermorph cart afterall. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 CyberMorph in the Space LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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