Trebor Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Concerning cost of this game (or any other for that matter), to put into perspective whether you want to view this game as being $60, or with shipping $72, if Smurf Rescue came out for the Intellivision in 1982, as it did for the ColecoVision and Atari 2600, the game would have been priced ~$24-29 (After tax). IMHO, this is a full-blown-all-the-bells-and-whistles, as good as, retail release Intellivision game. Well worth '1982 pricing' of ~$24-29/'2014 pricing' of $60-72. Honestly though, they can't control shipping...The actual 1982 price is $24.29. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Where i can buy the free rom? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Where i can buy the free rom? Contact me J-P if you will, and I will sell you the FREE rom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Concerning cost of this game (or any other for that matter), to put into perspective whether you want to view this game as being $60, or with shipping $72, if Smurf Rescue came out for the Intellivision in 1982, as it did for the ColecoVision and Atari 2600, the game would have been priced ~$24-29 (After tax). INTV_60.PNGINTV-2.PNG IMHO, this is a full-blown-all-the-bells-and-whistles, as good as, retail release Intellivision game. Well worth '1982 pricing' of ~$24-29/'2014 pricing' of $60-72. Honestly though, they can't control shipping...The actual 1982 price is $24.29. Plus, they were producing TONS of copies of the same game That's clearly not our case 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Contact me J-P if you will, and I will sell you the FREE rom How much does the free ROM cost? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 How much does the free ROM cost? If I were him, I'd charge $72 for it. ..Al 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Honestly though, they can't control shipping...The actual 1982 price is $24.29. I don't recall any NEW games released in the late 70's and early 80's for the 2600 or ColecoVision being sold for under $25 especially since if they were, I would have been able to buy a lot more. Although I will have to take a look through ads and catalogs to confirm my memory... perhaps some of the lesser known companies that released poor quality games might have had such low suggested retail prices (ie: Atari with Pac-Man and E.T. for the 2600 ). Without a doubt lots of games in this time period were reduced in price, but that would have been many months later after their initial release and full retail price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetset Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 If I were him, I'd charge $72 for it. ..Al No you wouldn't. It's *very* rare that stuff in the AA store is way overpriced. I don't see you as a profiteer. I see you as someone who has a love for the hobby and community over money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) I did go directly to the source, your YouTube video, and you ignored me and most everyone else who questioned the pricing and quality of the game. Someone even made a great suggestion that you ignored: Release the ROM for free to show everyone you're about the gamers and not the money, but still sell the boxed game for those die-hard collectors wanting to pay the $72, and trust me there's no shortage of them. Hey, you cheapskate. How about you get a game programmed, design and manufacture a circuit board, collect/recycle old cart shells or get a 3d cad of a new shell and get a mold, then have new shells made by injection mold plastics company...thats like 10k just for new shells and a few bucks for each new shell, probably 1000 shell minimum order. Then print boxes, manuals, overlays, stickers....also run a website to showcase your games. So, do all this and let us know your price point for your new game. And then some youtube nerds want the Rom for free....nice. Until then, stop bitching and making a fool of yourself. Its quite embarrassing to watch bro. Edited August 7, 2014 by revolutionika 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 No you wouldn't. It's *very* rare that stuff in the AA store is way overpriced. I don't see you as a profiteer. I see you as someone who has a love for the hobby and community over money. So, retroillucid is a pirate and Al is a ninja? Should they fight being natural born enemies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 So, retroillucid is a pirate and Al is a ninja? Should they fight being natural born enemies? Sounds like a good idea for your next game! Just add poop and you can sell hundreds of copies for 75.00 each! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Sounds like a good idea for your next game! Just add poop and you can sell hundreds of copies for 75.00 each! Already on it ~_^ http://theloon.itch.io/bath-blast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennybingo Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 No you wouldn't. It's *very* rare that stuff in the AA store is way overpriced. I don't see you as a profiteer. I see you as someone who has a love for the hobby and community over money. On average, it is $50 for a boxed homebrew in the AA store. The game being discussed here is $60, and it comes with a gatefold box, manual and overlays. I am not sure how that could ever be misconstrued as "overpriced". IMHO, it has become evident that the OP is and was only looking for a free ROM….which he will be able to get for free once the game is released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 The thing that everyone seems to be missing here is the need to "fly under the radar" when it comes to developing games that use characters, etc. which are actively protected by their rights holders. Since most homebrew tend to sell like hot butter anyway, at least those with some quality involved, why even bother to include copyrighted material and attempt to fly under the radar? Sooner or later it goes public anyway, and with smart search engines and bots scanning the results daily, you might have to pay the price. If it is a parody game released as a free download and nothing more, perhaps you can go under the radar and just remove it if you get a C&D letter but when money is involved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 If I were him, I'd charge $72 for it. ..Al It is not honnest to charge for a FREE rom. But what you could do in fact, is charge $72 for a subscribtion that allow you to download the rom for FREE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Are budget releases the middle-ground? Not-so collectable packaging and xerox copied manuals? What would make everyone happy? How about not trying to make up for losses or initial capital investments on a single item, all at once? Let's say I invest in a box cutting die, cartridge shell mold, and PCB boards to make games. If my intention is to make more than one game, then I prorate some of these costs over at least a couple of games in order to recoup the investment and break even. Counting on at least some piece of the long tail to eventually earn a profit. If, on the other hand, I expect to recoup that investment immediately on my first project, then I should better make darn sure it is a game worth of such a high price. If this is a hobby, investments and "losses" are just the cost of your participation; if it is a business, they should have been built as part of the business plan in order to predict cash-flows and costs. Sometimes there is no practical way to turn it into a workable business (too much effort for a small group, strained cash-flows, limited market, prohibitive costs, etc.). So be it. I know that some of these enterprises are being run as half-hobby/half-business, counting on the charitable support of the community while aiming at making a profit from the hard-core collectors; but then they shouldn't be surprised when they get bad looks from those who don't appreciate that. Then again, making snide or offensive remarks when you don't agree with someone's model is not constructive at all. All that said, I appreciate what you guys are doing, and I understand all the costs involved in producing the Sydney game. It's just that, for what it was (which, lets face it, old-school Smurfs Rescue wasn't the shiniest moment in gaming history), some of us feel the price is just too much. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to lower your costs and lessen the burden on your customers by making it into a budget release. -dZ. Edited August 7, 2014 by DZ-Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 By the way, implied in that last paragraph is my hope that having more home-brewers and publishers in the Intellivision community will lead to more and better games, lower prices, and ultimately to a stronger community. In other words, I welcome ColectorVision to our community, and look forward to their future releases. -dZ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 dZ, Tried sending you a PM but you have blocked me - why don't we bury the hatchet and put our differences to side as we are both part of a small community. Agree with some of what you posted and hopefully in future economies of scale can bring prices down like $10 a game. Still waiting on my 2 patches:-) Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetset Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 On average, it is $50 for a boxed homebrew in the AA store. The game being discussed here is $60, and it comes with a gatefold box, manual and overlays. I am not sure how that could ever be misconstrued as "overpriced". IMHO, it has become evident that the OP is and was only looking for a free ROM….which he will be able to get for free once the game is released. I wasn't speaking so much about the game as Al not charging a ton. That said, the seller already explained why he's charging so much, to pass on the cost of the errant boxes. If not for that, the price would probably be in a more reasonable range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 All that said, I appreciate what you guys are doing, and I understand all the costs involved in producing the Sydney game. It's just that, for what it was (which, lets face it, old-school Smurfs Rescue wasn't the shiniest moment in gaming history), some of us feel the price is just too much. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to lower your costs and lessen the burden on your customers by making it into a budget release. -dZ. I wouldn't say that. Smurf Rescue was targeted to very young player ( 3- 6 year old not for old retro gamer of 30-50 year olds ) . and if you take that in consideration it is a really good game. My little boys love it and were able to play it since they have 2 years old. The control scheme (mainly the jump that lot of us don't like) is perfect for their little hands. The animation was amazing for its time. Even the music. in 82-83 , it was the first game were you have the feeling to control a cartoon on TV!!. I would love to have a Smurf Rescue on Intellivision. I love the Atari 2600 et Colecovision version. It is really pitty. I think the "problem" with that Sydney Game. Is that it is sydney, not a Smurf. When you see this kind of hero , you expect another type of game, more "adult" more complex, so it is kind of frusting to see so beautiful graphism with a perceived weak gameplay. But i'm sure very young peoples will still love that game. Personnaly, i really love the Graphism and the sound track. Very nice work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Agreed Youki. My boys are 6 and 4 1/2 so I hope that they will like it and I will probably like it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 No you wouldn't. It's *very* rare that stuff in the AA store is way overpriced. I don't see you as a profiteer. I see you as someone who has a love for the hobby and community over money. I was being sarcastic, but I think some people don't realize how much work it is to produce limited runs of games in this nature. You're not buying parts in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions like the big companies were doing "back in the day". And this factor of scale can really influence prices, especially with things like boxes. Boxes are expensive to print in the quantities we need them for in this hobby, and most companies aren't even interested in doing such small runs. And if they are, you can be looking at spending several thousand dollars up front for boxes you have no guarantee of selling. And that's just the boxes. It's a big effort to manage a homebrew project so all the pieces come to together (software, label/label/box design, having labels, boxes and manuals printed (often by different companies), buying all the parts needed to build the games (if you haven't already amassed a good stock of them), and then the physical act of building everything. This includes preparing cart shells, which for me at the moment is a very time consuming process, programming any chips required for the cartridge PCB, soldering boards, testing boards, assembling boards into games, testing the assembled game, labeling the carts, and assembling it all into the final package. And I'm leaving out steps like folding/gluing boxes together, as you generally receive them flat from the printer. In my case I print many manuals myself as well, so that's additional work of printing the manuals, cutting them down to size, and then folding, collating and stapling them. So, besides the money invested in all the physical materials, there's a great amount of time spent actually building the games. There's no automation here, every copy is hand built. How much is your time worth? ..Al 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Why does Pdog even want a free rom of a game he doesnt like? He is just a rabble rouser. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+eebuckeye Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I don't care what homebrew people charge. If it is too high it won't sell. I want them to make a profit after all the work they put into it! Keep new homebrews coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I think that the issue is whether or not s production cost should be passed on to a consumer. And the big answer is: it happens *more than you know*. It's only in small markets like this where you notice it. WTF is $72 anyway for something desired?? If you don't desire the product in the first place, what are you complaining about? Jesus, people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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