christopherpm Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 The Check device ID box is a PITA sometimes. I've been collecting data-sheets for the remaining EPROMs I have and setting the programmer according to the sheet, rather than select from the menu. If I've set from the data-sheet, I'll uncheck the Device ID box before programming and I've yet to program a chip and have it fail verification. It seems to me, the Check ID works well for modern devices but suffers from "false negative" syndrome when using older EPROMS like 27C64/27C128, etc. Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I have one of these programmers with the 6.10 version of software. I too wish to program some EPROMS that aren't in the dropdown - how do you set the programmer according to the datasheets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I have one of these programmers with the 6.10 version of software. I too wish to program some EPROMS that aren't in the dropdown - how do you set the programmer according to the datasheets? Find one in the menu that is close to the one you want to program. The size (number of bytes) and pinouts should be the same. Most of the time all you need to do is set the correct programming voltage. The programmer doesn't seem to go up to 25v, the limit seems to be 21v. Most of the time 21v is sufficient to program a 25v chip. Try it and see if it works. Gazoo Edited October 18, 2014 by Gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKRetrogamer Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I have one of these programmers with the 6.10 version of software. I too wish to program some EPROMS that aren't in the dropdown - how do you set the programmer according to the datasheets? What's the make and model of the EPROM you're trying to program? (i.e. AMD 27C256) This will give us a better idea of how best to guide you. As a brief overview, you should first search Google for a datasheet for your EPROM. There are also searchable sites which specialise in providing PDF copies of datasheets. http://www.datasheets360.com/ is one but there are others. As Gazoo says, if you can find a similar model in the program's database, it should just be a case of selecting this and then checking/adjusting the VPP and VCC values (possibly also the programming pulse) to match those given on the matching datasheet and as previously mentioned, you'll need to un-tick the "check device ID" box before programming as this will automatically fail if your EPROM isn't the exact model selected from the drop-down. Edited October 19, 2014 by UKRetrogamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopherpm Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 What's the make and model of the EPROM you're trying to program? (i.e. AMD 27C256) This will give us a better idea of how best to guide you. As a brief overview, you should first search Google for a datasheet for your EPROM. There are also searchable sites which specialise in providing PDF copies of datasheets. http://www.datasheets360.com/ is one but there are others. As Gazoo says, if you can find a similar model in the program's database, it should just be a case of selecting this and then checking/adjusting the VPP and VCC values (possibly also the programming pulse) to match those given on the matching datasheet and as previously mentioned, you'll need to un-tick the "check device ID" box before programming as this will automatically fail if your EPROM isn't the exact model selected from the drop-down. Right now I'd like to be able to program the ST 27C160 and AMD 27C400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKRetrogamer Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Looking at the datasheets, both these devices are 42-pin (in their DIP packaged format). The TL866 has a 40-pin ZIF socket and the only devices in the same range it supports have either 32 or 40 pins. Unless you can buy (or make) a converter which will do some pin-remapping, I'm guessing these can't be added by the manufacturer either. From reading around the web, selected Willem programmers will program these chips but require an additional adaptor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 27C160 and 27C400 chips are also 8/16 bit chips as far as their data bus goes. There are not a lot of programmers out there that support that chip type in general. I have an Advin programmer that supports them natively (it has a 42-pin socket), but a lot of others top out with support for 40 pins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share Posted October 19, 2014 The Vpp is often printed on the chip itself (i.e., 12.5V etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share Posted October 19, 2014 I've also noticed that some of the package descriptions aren't correct. For example, a Fujitsu 27128 is listed as a @32Pin DIP when it is really a 28-pin package. It still programs fine, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I've also noticed that some of the package descriptions aren't correct. For example, a Fujitsu 27128 is listed as a @32Pin DIP when it is really a 28-pin package. It still programs fine, though. My menu lists the Fujitsu 27128 as a 28 pin dip. The PLCC version is 32pin, though. Gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 After much colodful language, I managed to successfully program BOTH TMS2532s and TMS2532As using the adapter from "The Great Gazoo". I selected the TMS2732 as the template. All of the voltages are is spot on for the TMS2532A but a little low for the TMS2532 but they programmed successfully anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 There are probably only 50 or so algorithms for programming chips with the MiniPro. For example, setting up for a TMS2764 will do Toshiba 2764s and SEEQ 2764s ( and probably a bunch of others). As long as you set the correct voltages and untick the "Check ID" box. it will do any chip of that voltage. The same goes for other chips as well. It has worked that way on everything that I have tried so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 I have found that a lot of the older chips have common read and program votages. The result is that A TMS2764 with a 21V Vpp will successfully program most any of the other 2764's regardless of the manufacturer as long as the "Check ID" block is not checked. The same works for 27128's as well. Also, some chips will program successfully if the Vpp is close to the chip's specs. For example, with the proper adapter, a TMS2532 (25V) can be programmed by using a TMS2732 (21V) as the template. The voltage for a TMS2532A is exactly the same as the TMS2732 so they work fine with an adapter. At some point, I would like to put together a spread sheet for the older chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 The procedure for TMS2532/TMS2532A chips also works fine with a pin-compatible variant - the Motorola MCM2532C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildstar Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) I have one of these Autoelectric's (Chinese company) MiniPro TL866CS coming my way. It is so I can begin venturing into programming ROM cartridges for classics. It is something I would be interested in looking into in development of new cartridges. Most of my experience had been with tapes and disks when it came to classic computers. Just look on the bottom of the case and you'll find the company's website. Typical Chinese website. Edited November 16, 2014 by Wildstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 The only problem is that the entire sebsite is i Mardarin (or Cantonese) and completely unreadible. There is no way to tell what you are downloading. It is probably best to search for software upgrades on the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKRetrogamer Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 At some point, I would like to put together a spread sheet for the older chips. That would be extremely useful and incredibly kind of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 A real spreadsheet might get a bit complicated and lengthy. For example, using almost any of the old 2764 chips (not 2764A) as a programming template will work for all of the others. They are interchangeable because the voltages are all the same. The same it true for 27128 chips (again, not 27128A). I'll probably end up putting together a list of the EPROMs that I have by group. Any within the group can be used to program any of the others. Just remember to untick the "Check ID" box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The only problem is that the entire sebsite is i Mardarin (or Cantonese) and completely unreadible. There is no way to tell what you are downloading. It is probably best to search for software upgrades on the Internet. You should be able to translate the site on the fly—Google Chrome offers to translate any website it recognizes as different (including Mandarin) from your native tongue. ...lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Nyone have the Datasheet for an INTEL D27512 that they could send to me by email or upload here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Never mind - found it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupinamba Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Hi everyone ! This is my first message on the AtariAge board, but I've been a 2600 user for very long! I just received the Minipro programmer but I'm having trouble making it work: I installed the software (6.10) and driver, the Minipro is recognized but the soft tells me at startup to reflash the firmware. I do it but it freezes at all attempts after disconnecting the device for the flashing procedure. The Minipro has the V03.2.58 firmware installed, as it appears when I start the software. I tried with the 5.91 version of the software but it doesn't work either. I also tried to flash the firmware using the TL866 firmware updater, but didn't work... I'm using Windows XP Pro through VirtualBox... Thanks in advance for your suggestions! Cheers, Gael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 The latest update of the software is Vn 6.13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Actually, the latest version is 6.16, which came out three days after 6.13! The latest firmware version that v6.16 will prompt you to re-flash is 3.2.68—you should not need to start a separate flashing program yourself. ...lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) ... I do it but it freezes at all attempts after disconnecting the device for the flashing procedure. ... Perhaps you misstated what you did to re-flash the miniPRO—but, you do need to have the device (miniPRO) plugged into a USB port to flash it. ...lee Edited June 26, 2015 by Lee Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBoy Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I'm using Windows XP Pro through VirtualBox... I would suggest to use real PC with WinXp, not a virtual machine. I had serveral problems with other USB-Devices ( Smartcard Reader ACR-122) in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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