RupanIII Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 For me is that all the added irony/sarcasm is getting a little dry without new announcements/blunders/whatchamacallit to tear apart. But it's only me so I'll be fine until they come up with something. I assume he has at least one lawyer around who just randomly called him to tell him to shut his pie hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupanIII Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 So, yeah, this is true. you can tell the pins on the FPGA to just go here and there. So, if they desoldered (or just covered up) the VPU on the SNES Jr and soldered alot of the pins on an FPGA chip to a breadboard (the hobby board you can buy off any electronics parts site) and then show some soldering to the SNES itself, in theory... (they could just cover the chip up with the breadboard and CLAIM it's socketed over the surface mount of the original chip, blah blah) they can just claim they did the VPU on FPGA and that was their system. This is STILL STUPID... as well... that's the only machine with that specific CPU. The Atari and Coleco CPU's are different, and the SEGA cpu's are totally different (not even same family, the SMS CPU is 3 other system's Audio Chip, including the Genesis). Sooooo, even one of those Frankenstein bullshits will be just cannon fodder for our volleys. If you've developed a FPGA implementation of the SNES's custom chips, installing it onto a retail SNES board in place of the original cpu, etc seems like a reasonable way to demonstrate it's working correctly. You don't have to worry about designing the cart slot, controller hookups, video generator, etc. Just hook up the FPGA to the right spots on the board and the whole thing should behave like the original. This is the only feasible explanation they could have at this point. For the record, I very much doubt this is what happened. Nothing they've done so far has shown any sort of accomplishment on the order of what that would entail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 If you've developed a FPGA implementation of the SNES's custom chips, installing it onto a retail SNES board in place of the original cpu, etc seems like a reasonable way to demonstrate it's working correctly. You don't have to worry about designing the cart slot, controller hookups, video generator, etc. Just hook up the FPGA to the right spots on the board and the whole thing should behave like the original. This is the only feasible explanation they could have at this point. For the record, I very much doubt this is what happened. Nothing they've done so far has shown any sort of accomplishment on the order of what that would entail. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 This is the only feasible explanation they could have at this point. For the record, I very much doubt this is what happened. Nothing they've done so far has shown any sort of accomplishment on the order of what that would entail. They can try to make that claim, but there's at least one problem: we're talking about people who don't even know how to wire up a power switch and LED before unveiling their "prototype" at Toy Fair. Do they really expect us to believe that they could desolder one of these? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Who makes up the hardware team working on this? I know I wasn't going to say much before the kickstarter, but maybe this is the team. At least it is a good chill out video. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 what? am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I assume he has at least one lawyer around who just randomly called him to tell him to shut his pie hole. I'm sure a lawyer will tell him to shut up... it might not be his lawyer though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 That's absolutely right. Who wants some ratbag infested console that needs to be disassembled and washed and basically fumigated? I've seen funky sticky white "gluey" crusting up in some units I repaired. Othertimes moving insects and just malodorous odors would just emanate from the unit. Yeah, but at least those are bugs that you can get rid of yourself. The RVGS/Chameleon will have no online update capability, so its bugs will be PERMANENT! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_ocelot Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm sure a lawyer will tell him to shut up... it might not be his lawyer though. Are you kidding? Lawyers are expensive! That's what Kicstarter funds are for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlegamer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 From the replies posted by PlaysWithWolves: I don't want to overreact, but what the hell are these people talking about??? If the NES and Sega Genesis are what they want, they can still buy both TODAY!!! The systems are relatively cheap, are available from multiple sources, and there are plenty of games that can be bought on cartridge for peanuts even in today's inflated market!!! Why do we need a whole new console to "bring them back"??? Now I know why Pat Contri flipped out over the same subject on the most recent #CUPodcast. It's amazing that people are blindly buying into this thing without even asking whether it has any reason to exist. AND THE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN EMULATED WELL SINCE THE LATE 90S AND YOU CAN PLAY EVERY GAME FOR FREE EVEN USING HDMI OUT TO YOUR GIANT LCD TV. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Nathan Stum's pics are showing my old template up a bit in the rainbow department, so I've corrected the 'good enough for government work' rainbow with the 'probably more effort than that prototype took' version. COLECO MEME HI-RES(better rainbow).zip Edited February 23, 2016 by Reaperman 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_ocelot Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you've developed a FPGA implementation of the SNES's custom chips, installing it onto a retail SNES board in place of the original cpu, etc seems like a reasonable way to demonstrate it's working correctly. You don't have to worry about designing the cart slot, controller hookups, video generator, etc. Just hook up the FPGA to the right spots on the board and the whole thing should behave like the original. This is the only feasible explanation they could have at this point. For the record, I very much doubt this is what happened. Nothing they've done so far has shown any sort of accomplishment on the order of what that would entail. "Wait for the Kickstarter" literally means: "We have a two week deadline for our FPGA dev board to arrive by USPS and to find someone qualified to desolder a QFP chip and graft the dev board in there. Doesn't have to look pretty or work, just look like we did SOMETHING." (The irony of course being that pissing around making the fauxtotype look convincing for the rubes is taking time away from, you know, developing an ACTUAL PROTOTYPE) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 All joking a side a SNES with a FDGA would be interesting since you can probably use it to convert the analog signal to digital, and quite a few other nice mods easily with the original hardware But I don't think easy is what Mike likes to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 what? am I wrong? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 All joking a side a SNES with a FDGA would be interesting since you can probably use it to convert the analog signal to digital, and quite a few other nice mods easily with the original hardware But I don't think easy is what Mike likes to do its all digital until it leaves the console, so what would the point be 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 But I don't think easy is what Mike likes to do With great efforts come great rewards. If he is doing an FPGA on top of an SNES, then he'll get newfound respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckardbr Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) I bet the kickstarter will have the words "With these funds we'll be able to develop an amazing FPGA board!" while completely ignoring that prototype that was supposed to be a finished board in the first place. Edited February 23, 2016 by deckardbr 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Assuming for just a second that there was actually an FPGA system somewhere inside a ball of tape and jaguar. I mean, there's probably not, but stay with me... The person deciding how 'good enough' that SNES compatibility is to be, is the person who good-enoughed composite freaking video to a cruddy economy-grade screen at a major trade show. "Here, hold on to the world's most generic controller while I plug in my bargain basement wall wart." I know it's 'not supposed to be a Ferrari' any more, but jeez, does it have to be cheap in every single way possible? Is SCART, to a framemeister, to a big, bright HD projector and a kicking stereo too much to ask? It's not even 'bringing your A-game,' it's just 'bringing the minimum,' IMO. Maybe throw up a few life-size cutouts of some pixel art from the Piko games--spend a couple hundred bucks at kinkos here, it's a big trade show... Also, unless I missed some info, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that his wii-u controller buddies aren't going to work on that usb version until he comes up with some dough. I kind of suspect that the wii u controller on display is a non-functional kennedy-based drill and glue job. I know I'm really going out on a limb thinking that it might be fake, based on the high standards for integrity displayed by the coleco chameleon crew so far. It would cost a lot for me to make my own replica prototype chameleon but I wouldn't mind making myself a replica controller to remember this whole episode by. Then I can stand around with it not plugged in talking about how it's too complex for the unwashed to handle and that they should start with some knockoff snes controllers instead. Edited February 23, 2016 by Reaperman 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Apparently Mike says he bought the rights for Atari 2600 games and IP. and some of the articles claim its around 300 first party games issued by Atari for the 2600 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupanIII Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Purchased with what money? Apparently Mike says he bought the rights for Atari 2600 games and IP. and some of the articles claim its around 300 first party games issued by Atari for the 2600 http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/18/coleco-chameleon-atari-2600/ http://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/coleco-chameleon-will-run-all-atari-2600-games-804378 So far fact checking on the web it closer to 130 first party Atari 2600 games developed with around half licensed from other companies which wouldn't be included. Guessing they got a deal with Code Mystics, if Mike is truthful Here is their PC Bundle they are working on http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a781201/100-atari-classics-are-heading-to-pc/ Probably from their DS bundles Arcade games: Asteroids, Battlezone, Centipede, Gravitar, Lunar Lander, Missile Command, Pong, Space Duel, Tempest. Atari 2600 games: 3D Tic-Tac-Toe, Adventure, Air·Sea Battle, Asteroids, Atari Video Cube, Basketball, Battlezone, Bowling, Centipede, Championship Soccer, Dodge 'Em, Flag Capture, Football, Fun with Numbers, Gravitar, Hangman, Haunted House, Home Run, Human Cannonball, Math Gran Prix, Miniature Golf, Missile Command, Outlaw, Realsports Baseball, Realsports Boxing, Realsports Football, Realsports Tennis, Realsports Volleyball, Sky Diver, Slot Machine, Slot Racers, Sprintmaster, Star Ship, Stellar Track, Submarine Commander, Surround, Swordquest: Earthworld, Swordquest: Fireworld, Swordquest: Waterworld, Tempest, Video Checkers. Arcade games: Asteroids Deluxe, Black Widow, Crystal Castles, Liberator, Major Havoc, Millipede, Red Baron, Super Breakout, Warlords. Atari 2600 games: A Game of Concentration, Backgammon, Basic Programming, Black Jack, Brain Games, Breakout, Canyon Bomber, Casino, Circus Atari, Code Breaker, Combat, Combat Two, Crystal Castles, Demons to Diamonds, Desert Falcon, Double Dunk, Fatal Run, Golf, Maze Craze, Millipede, Night Driver, Off-the-Wall, Quadrun, Radar Lock, Realsports Basketball, Realsports Soccer, Return to Haunted House , Secret Quest, Sentinel, Space War, Star Raiders, Steeplechase, Street Racer, Super Baseball, Super Breakout, Super Football, Video Chess, Video Olympics, Video Pinball, Warlords, Yar's Revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoRacer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If "legitimate" Kickstarters end up going down in flames and pocking what money is left, even if someone wanted this... thing...I can't understand who'd trust this guy with their money, expecting any sort of deadline to be met with legitimate results. The Ouya was considered to be a major failure of a console. And that system was already half way done (hardware was made, shell and controller in development, with a GUI already functional on screen with dozens of games already on board) when the Kickstarter hit, and bombed the minute it hit shelves. The controller was a POS, WIFI chip was shoddy at best, the library was small, there were pairing issues with the controllers, and the OS was slow as all hell and back. People need to compare the Chameleon not to the SNES, but to the Ouya. It's the best side-by-side comparison if you think about it. Two Kickstarter projects. One failed while being fairly prepared. How does one figure the Chameleon with jack shit done yet will fair? Haha. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Some people may need a Gravemarker for their Ouya Ouya ain't dead; it just took a nap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoRacer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Ouya ain't dead; it just took a nap... More like a coma... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janus Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If "legitimate" Kickstarters end up going down in flames and pocking what money is left, even if someone wanted this... thing...I can't understand who'd trust this guy with their money, expecting any sort of deadline to be met with legitimate results. The Ouya was considered to be a major failure of a console. And that system was already half way done (hardware was made, shell and controller in development, with a GUI already functional on screen with dozens of games already on board) when the Kickstarter hit, and bombed the minute it hit shelves. The controller was a POS, WIFI chip was shoddy at best, the library was small, there were pairing issues with the controllers, and the OS was slow as all hell and back. People need to compare the Chameleon not to the SNES, but to the Ouya. It's the best side-by-side comparison if you think about it. Two Kickstarter projects. One failed while being fairly prepared. How does one figure the Chameleon with jack shit done yet will fair? Haha. Let's be fair, the Ouya didn't' have the dream team that the Chameleon does. You guys will be eating your words when this is the most successful Kickstarted Video Game System ever. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If "legitimate" Kickstarters end up going down in flames and pocking what money is left, even if someone wanted this... thing...I can't understand who'd trust this guy with their money, expecting any sort of deadline to be met with legitimate results. I've been "unreliably informed" that Mike's actual plan is to take all the "outsourced-development" funds in the KickStarter budget, and invest them in buying a shipping-container full of Lucky Charms to take to Ireland to persuade the Leprechauns to finish off the hardware and software design. My "source" could be wrong on this ... but it sure sounds like a good idea to me! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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