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I am a lucky holder of one of Atari Jaguar's cartridges. It is a spectacular product, and I assure you that it is worthwhile to keep waiting to enjoy it. That is why it is necessary that all of us support the person who has dedicated so much time and effort in this project, we cannot pressure him since he does this because he wants to, because it is his passion, and his decision whether he wants to do it or not.


Saint, take a vacation, rest is essential to feel good, I know what I'm talking about, and when you're better, I hope that, for you as for all your followers, you can continue doing what you like. In life you have to try to be happy, and I want you to know that you have already made all the people who have been able to enjoy your things happy. I hope that in the future we can enjoy the incorporation of CD support, in addition to other game drives such as a future atari 7800 game drive.


A hug and I hope you feel better.

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On 11/6/2019 at 3:42 AM, g4r37h said:

This is really disappointing news.

I'm not sure why you didn't just extend the already existing delay to include sorting out a manufacturer instead of spooking your customers by creating the impression that you're having some kind of meltdown. Since people were already aware that they had to wait for the cart, extending that wait would hardly have been the end of the world. I'd imagine most customers wouldn't have given it a second thought.

 

Actions like this negatively impact a seller's credibility so... perhaps there were additional factors involved in forcing you to take such action. Whatever the case, I hope the project gets back on track soon.

You sound like your from that entitled brats group on fb....

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3 minutes ago, ultramecha said:

You sound like your from that entitled brats group on fb....

Let's focus on the Jaguar GD cart.  I've already removed him from AtariAge.

 

 ..Al

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31 minutes ago, Albert said:

Let's focus on the Jaguar GD cart.  I've already removed him from AtariAge.

 

 ..Al

It's a shame people can't just stay positive.  After all, it's just a hobby.  You know help, support, and learn from each other.

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5 minutes ago, djones60 said:

It's a shame people can't just stay positive.  After all, it's just a hobby.  You know help, support, and learn from each other.

You would think...

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As a long time owner of a Jaguar with only a handful of games, but several accessories (not the CD unfortunately), I'm really looking forward to seeing some of the homebrew and ports that I'll be able to play. I have an 8-bit Atari computer somewhere, though I left it boxed up when I moved out of my parents, and they claim it no longer exists, which is a shame. That was about 20 years ago. Then again they said the same about the PS2 I put a lot of work into, and I found it 8 years later in a cabinet behind a speaker...

 

SainT's physical and mental health is much more important than any of the above, but I'm very grateful that he shares his passion with us when he's up to it. Luckily the vast majority of the audience is supportive no matter what happens.

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On 11/7/2019 at 2:45 PM, kool kitty89 said:

 

"too much things"

...

well just 2 things:
The Jaguar Chipset was originally designed to operate at 40MHz. Its performance was revised downward when it was modified to work on the Jaguar console. Lower frequency, 16bits 68000 CPU interface instead of 32bits 68030 (and therefore 16bits also for the DSP since it shares the same interface), 24-bit address BUS instead of 32, less Bank memory and less Bank type (originally 128MB total address space: 2 Bank of ROMs 16MB each, 1 Bank of SRAM 32MB, and 2 BANK of DRAM 32MB each), no more Falcon mode, etc.

I do not know if we can get better mapping performance using ROM instead of DRAM (ROM to DRAM instead of DRAM to DRAM). In the Jaguar the external data bus is common to the whole system and there is no funnel as in the TT. So the data must first pass necessarily by TOM to be eventually shifted and replaced again on the BUS. On the other hand, I do not know if TOM is able to prepare the access to the DRAM (CAS/RAS lines) at the same time that it makes the accesses to the ROM and does the shift, and vice versa. In fact, I do not know if TOM is able to access the external 24bits address BUS at the same time as it accesses the CAS/RAS lines of DRAM (ROM to DRAM or DRAM to ROM). Internally yes (GPU local RAM to DRAM for example).

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17 hours ago, DEATH said:



I do not know if we can get better mapping performance using ROM instead of DRAM (ROM to DRAM instead of DRAM to DRAM). In the Jaguar the external data bus is common to the whole system and there is no funnel as in the TT. So the data must first pass necessarily by TOM to be eventually shifted and replaced again on the BUS. On the other hand, I do not know if TOM is able to prepare the access to the DRAM (CAS/RAS lines) at the same time that it makes the accesses to the ROM and does the shift, and vice versa. In fact, I do not know if TOM is able to access the external 24bits address BUS at the same time as it accesses the CAS/RAS lines of DRAM (ROM to DRAM or DRAM to ROM). Internally yes (GPU local RAM to DRAM for example).

TBH I suspect that slapping SRAM in a cart whilst it would be faster than a ROM cart isn't suddenly going to boost the performance of the Jag to unheard of levels.

IIRC, there is ONE bus, Main RAM, the BIOS, Cartridge and all the hardware sits on it.. so no clever cart ROM -> Main RAM dual bus copy action.
The cart bus is 32bit, so already 50% of the max throughput of Tom.

I think SainTs cart, whilst a thing of beauty and really useful, isn't designed or intended as use as a system accelerator... Huge extra capacity, and possibly slightly faster loading time for some cart games, and maybe even some extra new shiny dev toys down the line..  But its not going to turn the jag into something it's not.

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On 11/6/2019 at 2:03 PM, SainT said:

 

It's called burnout. Physical and mental stress over prolonged periods causes decision making to be impaired. Couple this with the fact there are some people in the "scene" (read back a few pages) out to deliberately cause others further stress and harm, and it eventually makes you wonder why on earth you bother doing these things. Trust me, it's not for the money -- if it were, I would never have even started. At that point in time I was quite happy to jack it all in, and very nearly did.

 

Sorry about the people bothering/threatening you and all the best for getting well!

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Take care of your health, SainT. Sometimes just taking a break from some project can give you a moment of pause that allows you to get a better perspective on how to tackle the situation.

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On 11/7/2019 at 10:05 AM, Karyyk said:

I just wish anyone that has anything negative to say would take a few steps back and try to gain some perspective before posting. 

That includes the defenders of saint in here who are very toxic as we'll see in response to my valid criticism that I'm about to make. 

I understand the burnout and don't have a problem with preorders being cancelled because life and health takes precedent, (cue all that to be ignored in the replies to me) but for people like me that rarely come back to this thread and only did so out of random curiosity to see around what number board had been sent.

Wouldn't it be nice and professional (hobbyist or not a not cheap product is being sold) to inform those in the pre-order list through the PayPal list or the db on your website.

Again, i have no problem with life taking priority over this or even the board ending up cancelled because of your more pressing priorities, i would be gutted, but a simple email once you know for sure would help so I can place another order.

You will have people buying that don't come to this website or go to your twatter and won't be informed.

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On 11/8/2019 at 3:13 PM, juanluma01 said:

I am a lucky holder of one of Atari Jaguar's cartridges. It is a spectacular product, and I assure you that it is worthwhile to keep waiting to enjoy it. That is why it is necessary that all of us support the person who has dedicated so much time and effort in this project, we cannot pressure him since he does this because he wants to, because it is his passion, and his decision whether he wants to do it or not.

How about you post a nice picture of your Jag with the cartridge in it? Would be cool to see it in a real life scenario!

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1 hour ago, Sbrann said:

 

Wouldn't it be nice and professional (hobbyist or not a not cheap product is being sold) to inform those in the pre-order list through the PayPal list or the db on your website.

 

 

Perfectly valid point, it's something I want to do. I don't have a simple way of doing this, however, and it takes time to implement features such as this.

 

The biggest issue for me is that I'm a single person doing a hundred different things. Unfortunately something has to give, and some of the things I consider less essential from my point of view, are perhaps more valued from a customers point of view.

 

As I say, it's very difficult as an individual having to deal with so many things at once, hence the reason I'm trying to resolve this by involving more people in the chain.

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