Magic Knight Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I'd like to get one for 1010 HK Outside UK - http://www.ebay.com/sch/sandimas666/m.html?item=122297041305&hash=item1c7978c199%3Ag%3A6okAAOSwopRYa7n2&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 This link dose not show anything if you PM me i can give details on how to get these. Ebay fees are driving me up the wall and i list on there only now and then as demand goes up and down. Ive plenty in stock though. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff78 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) Hello Richard, I'm new to the forum and looking to fix my HK 1010 cassette recorder. I bought it recently but couldn't get it to load any games. Took it apart and it had an elastic band for drive belt. The counter belt is also very loose. I was wondering if you still have belts available for this and if so, please could I buy a set? I've also attached some pictures if that helps to identify the model. Just out of interest, the smaller of the black wheels with the brass disc in the middle can be lifted out without any resistance. Is this normal? I can't see any way to secure it in place. Hope you can offer some advice. Geoff. Edited December 21, 2017 by Geoff78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 Hi Geoff At the moment my atari peripherals are in storage so I cant confirm the wheel movements first hand. In theory the belt should keep the tension on the spindles to avoid movement up/down (as long as the spindle isn't listing up down. I'm guessing the tension will help maintain it position. As there is no lock on top of the spindle. I'm sure this is intentional. Anybody recently replacing this should be able to confirm or amend the above information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchcliff Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Just out of interest, the smaller of the black wheels with the brass disc in the middle can be lifted out without any resistance. Is this normal? I can't see any way to secure it in place. I had the same problem. The wheel should be held in place by a small nylon pinion on the far end of the shaft, see pictures here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/203693-atari-1010-hong-kong-unit-help-not-belt/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff78 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Thanks for that info. Well it looks like the pinion is missing on mine then. What is the purpose of the pinion? does it actually do anything or just hold the pulley wheel in place? The reason I ask is because my cassette player works when its upside down - gravity holding pulley wheel in place. Geoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchcliff Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 The pinion is definitely an essential component although I can't remember exactly what it does. It is probably not missing from your machine, but detached inside the mechanism. I think it may re-engage on the shaft when you put the wheel back, just tightly enough to transmit the drive, but not enough to hold the wheel in place when the machine is operating the right way up. I recall I could make mine work by pressing lightly on the centre of the rotating brass hub with a fingernail - which is maybe equivalent to the gravity effect you have noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff78 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Thanks again, I’ll have a look once all the festivities are out of the way. Hopefully the pinion will be sat behind the housing and is retrievable / repairable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1050 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Only function left not explainable by the fine pictures you supplied is the play/record take up reel function. It would drive a slip mechanism that allows for a high degree of slip while at the same time provide positive but very light torque on the cassette spindle that tape is wound up on as it played, the source spindle just freewheels. It also has a part in driving the counter when play/record are used. Large black gear is doing the fast forward/advance and rewind functions. While the counter is directly driven by the take up spindle only. Unfortunately it's a case of bad design choice in the plastic used which will always fail by splitting in the root of the faulty gear like this over large amounts of time. As plastic ages it 'oozes' fabrication oils out of the matrix which reduces it's overall dimensions. Due to time it's now too small to fit on the axle without splitting. One viable solution would be one made of brass but the tolerances required to give the same press on, friction only fit are well outside mass production capabilities which means an artist must fit it by trial and error taking a good deal of time and no small amount of talent. Clickspring on YouTube type of talents. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA/videos But several cut and filed from thin tin cans or more flexible plastic could be stacked to the same effect. It's not entirely hopeless, just almost hopeless. The typical superglue fix attempted to fix these types of failures almost always result in too much glue applied which ruinates the device entirely and thus can not be recommended. It also means you can never take it apart again. Same issue but a different application has this as a solid solution that saves me easily $60 for each one of these I can put in. The original is hard white plastic as well and splitting in the exact same manner - go figure. https://www.ebay.com/itm/HVAC-Blend-Air-Door-Actuator-Gear-Rebuild-kit-fits-many-GM-vehicles-1990-2013/171384359235 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterg74 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Hi Geoff At the moment my atari peripherals are in storage so I cant confirm the wheel movements first hand. In theory the belt should keep the tension on the spindles to avoid movement up/down (as long as the spindle isn't listing up down. I'm guessing the tension will help maintain it position. As there is no lock on top of the spindle. I'm sure this is intentional. Anybody recently replacing this should be able to confirm or amend the above information. Hi there! By any chance do you still have these available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fred_M Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) I am wondering if there are two different 1010 Hong Kong models? The one pictured in this topic is quite different from what I am used to... This is the one I have never seen (like the one in this topic): And this is the Hong Kong model I know: Does anyone know more about these differences? Edited February 26, 2018 by Fred_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) The one at the top is the bands i currently supply for. (flat belt instead of square type) which is also a 2 minute job to replace..... - Im a little curious to the other one as it seems theres a variant for this which is causing some confusion of late. Wouldnt surprise me if its the same as the Japan version but until i find out more, its a little vague. The current japan version is consistant in mechanisms it seems for the 1010 but a little tricky to replace. The HK model appears to have 2 versions. If anyone has the second one on the photo above could they shed any light on this or send zoomed photos please. a photo of the label underside also may distinguish this also for future. Edited February 26, 2018 by Magic Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 My Hong Kong recorders are all like the second picture. I have never seen the version that needs flat belts. I can provide more shots if needed, but Nir already took a lot of pictures. I will post these here. In my webshop I supply belts for the Japanese and Hong Kong 1010 recorders (mine are for the bottom one) too and they are a different size than the belts for the Japanese version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I also have the 1010 field service manual, the 1010C pictured there is like the 1010 recorders I have. The version with the flat belts is not mentioned in the field service manual. My first thought was that the flat belt version was some kind of mod, but you supply belts for it and there are more pictures on the internet of the flat belt model. I think it is strange that this doesn't seem to be common knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Thanks Fred Photos and details are excellent If someone can send me an old 1010 HK belt (the non-flat version as above) - ill send them back free of charge - 3 belts of their choice from the 1010 series (Japan or Flat HK belt) or XC12. - or a 410 belt kit (Play/FF/rew) in return Im looking into this and would like to see one for myself. Please PM me if interested. Edited February 28, 2018 by Magic Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Thanks Fred, Photos and details are excellent If someone can send me an old 1010 HK belt (the non-flat version as above) - ill send them back free of charge - 3 belts of their choice from the 1010 series (Japan or Flat HK belt) or XC12. - or a 410 belt kit (Play/FF/rew) in return Im looking into this and would like to see one for myself. Please PM me if interested. I also have the 1010 field service manual, the 1010C pictured there is like the 1010 recorders I have. The version with the flat belts is not mentioned in the field service manual. My first thought was that the flat belt version was some kind of mod, but you supply belts for it and there are more pictures on the internet of the flat belt model. I think it is strange that this doesn't seem to be common knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGLE TOOTH Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I need a set of 410 belts, are they still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telengard Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I'm interested in some 1010 HK belts, so wondering the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I'm in need of a 1010 Japan belt... are you still selling these belts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I'm in need of a 1010 Japan belt... are you still selling these belts ? Hi Charlie, I will send you a set 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckTeed Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Two questions 1) Are the 410 belts still available? 2) Is installation difficult? I'm slightly better than a beginner in terms of being able to figure stuff out, but don't want to get in over my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I just a got a 1010 HK. I opened and I saw what I was afraid of: belt "melted". Last time I tried to clean a melted rubber it was a big mess. Because you tried to get the belt and it just keeps spreading out like ink. Anyway, it is a flat belt, where I can get that belt if Magic Knight does not have them? Someone have measured it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Age-of-Atarius Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I am also looking for the 410 Belts. LMK when these are available again. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nezgar Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 One other alternative option.... for $2.39 on aliexpress you can get 40 belts of assorted sizes. I repaired a 410 main function with belts from this, but the counter belt is smaller than the smallest belts included with this kit. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Shanghaimagicbox-Set-of-30-40-Small-Fine-Pulley-Belt-Engine-Drive-Belts-for-DIY-Toys-Module/32617853983.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5e9a4c4dyI1yuh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nezgar Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Another site I came across selling 410 belt kits: https://console5.com/store/atari-410-program-recorder-cassette-player-4-piece-belt-kit.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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