82-T/A Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Since we're arguing semantics now... You meant "I sent a crowdfunding site my money to help an inexperienced and deceptive holding company design, develop and build an Onyx one", since they have nothing to "buy" yet. There is no guarantee that you'll get what you paid for and a high probability that you will get absolutely nothing for your money. But you knew that going into it right? The only backer mindset that makes any kind of sense to me is someone who won't miss $200+. (I've never had the too-much-money-wtf-do-I-do-with-all-of-it problem myself, but some people have money to burn obviously!) I knew the risks. I'm a big enough fan of the brand that I'm willing to take it. I'm not going to say $225 is crumbs like Nancy Pelosi... but my world won't end. I've thought about getting a streaming Linux machine for the TV for a while, and I basically bought it for the Atari logo on the front. It would be neat to play some of the less demanding GOG and Steam indie games in 4k if I can too. I don't think anyone believes this is Atari's chance at competing with Sony and Microsoft. What I am curious about is why so many people have gone all Templar about the people who backed it? Surely it can't be because you're that worried about me losing $225? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 The nearby Motel 6 and Super 8 were all booked, hence no presence near E3. They're all probably booked up at this place (again): 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Turn the camera a bit to the left. You'll see a big creepy old house where the inn keeper keeps his mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I don't think anyone believes this is Atari's chance at competing with Sony and Microsoft. What I am curious about is why so many people have gone all Templar about the people who backed it? Surely it can't be because you're that worried about me losing $225? No, it's not about you as an individual, you do you. I'm about to spend many times that amount on vet bills. Is that a wise financial decision? Probably not, but I have a sentimental attachment too, just not to "Atari." Some of us are "going all Templar" because pigeon behavior enables similar charlatans to start "projects" like this. This project, like "Coleco Evolved," "Spectrum Vega," and others, are motivated by exploiting old brands and have little to offer consumers. Thanks to the IGG backers, now it's "normal" for a retro brand to ask for hundreds of dollars on the faintest of promises that won't be fulfilled for almost a year, at best. Now there's precedent for publicly traded companies to use crowdfunding as a "preorder" platform, which reduces consumer protections. They have stated there will be no refunds after the campaign, which ends in 15 days. That's a pretty one-sided contract. There's a valuable niche of older, affluent people who are willing to pay premium prices for experiences they enjoy. Lots of people dump on Apple for being a "lifestyle" brand that doesn't bring value commensurate with the price premium. This AtariBox aspires to be like that, but it's different -- it's just a spank fantasy, it's not even something you can buy in stores. You can't even watch a demo of it. An honest assessment of the computer specs shows that this is nothing special at all. Everything it does is available elsewhere, right now, without waiting, ready to buy, cheaper, more powerful, and better supported. If you're visiting a developing country and don't bother to haggle for market prices, you're setting up the economy to exploit all visitors as easy marks, people to be fleeced, not equals in the transaction. AtariBox doesn't respect you, it's clear from their communication with the IGG backers. Supporting this stupid project makes things a little bit worse for everyone. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Q: Here's what IndieGogo says about using the comments system ... A: Shut up and wait. We have your money. Q: Yo hater, this isn't the place for people to interact directly with you. That's why I'm directing this message at you so we can interact directly. You should quit asking questions of the place that has our money and hasn't put out a substantial update since their last denial of fraud. By the way I would like to see it turned on and working, too. A: Yeah, quit picking on us! We're busy counting the money you gave us. Our work here is done. I mean, we hear you and are working hard behind the scenes and stuff. Q: Here are the rules you agreed to when you decided to use this platform to collect our money. A. Seriously, stop clogging up the comments. Oh, and we'll give you some answers real soon now. For sure. After e3 is over. You know how you waited until the campaign started to get the answers you wanted? Yeah, do more of that. Q. You smashed your goals and there's a lot of time left. How about some stretch goals? A. Are you freaking kidding me? We can't even deliver what we originally promised. Remember when Hasbro owned Atari? Now that was a company that had some good games! Just not with the Atari label on them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 These backers seem very impatient They do know they signed up to wait until 2019 right??? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 No, it's not about you as an individual, you do you. I'm about to spend many times that amount on vet bills. Is that a wise financial decision? Probably not, but I have a sentimental attachment too, just not to "Atari." Some of us are "going all Templar" because pigeon behavior enables similar charlatans to start "projects" like this. This project, like "Coleco Evolved," "Spectrum Vega," and others, are motivated by exploiting old brands and have little to offer consumers. Thanks to the IGG backers, now it's "normal" for a retro brand to ask for hundreds of dollars on the faintest of promises that won't be fulfilled for almost a year, at best. Now there's precedent for publicly traded companies to use crowdfunding as a "preorder" platform, which reduces consumer protections. They have stated there will be no refunds after the campaign, which ends in 15 days. That's a pretty one-sided contract. There's a valuable niche of older, affluent people who are willing to pay premium prices for experiences they enjoy. Lots of people dump on Apple for being a "lifestyle" brand that doesn't bring value commensurate with the price premium. This AtariBox aspires to be like that, but it's different -- it's just a spank fantasy, it's not even something you can buy in stores. You can't even watch a demo of it. An honest assessment of the computer specs shows that this is nothing special at all. Everything it does is available elsewhere, right now, without waiting, ready to buy, cheaper, more powerful, and better supported. If you're visiting a developing country and don't bother to haggle for market prices, you're setting up the economy to exploit all visitors as easy marks, people to be fleeced, not equals in the transaction. AtariBox doesn't respect you, it's clear from their communication with the IGG backers. Supporting this stupid project makes things a little bit worse for everyone. I understand, and you make an excellent point. I don't have aspersions for what the AtariBox is or isn't... but I do think I'll get what I ordered. If not, then I'm out $225. There is some emotion here driving the decision, and I acknowledge that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Remember when Hasbro owned Atari? Now that was a company that had some good games! Just not with the Atari label on them. Well, in fairness, I thought that Hasbro did a few good things with the Atari brand. Their early releases (Centipede and the first version of Frogger) were pretty rough, but I liked their updates of Missile Command, Pong, and Breakout, and I also liked Nerf ArenaBlast and The Next Tetris. (I was hooked on the latter in 1999-2000, and to this day it's still one of my favorite versions of Tetris.) On the other hand, Combat was interesting but flawed, and Galaga: Destination Earth was disappointing. (At least they created real products, and they did it without begging for money first, which is more than one can say for "Atari SA.") 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I agree with everything Flo said. It's unfortunate so many people have been willing to buy into such a shallow appeal to nostalgia with zero competency, innovation, or creativity. It diminishes all of us and really squelches the chances that anyone will actually innovate something worthwhile that we can genuinely be excited about. Everyone makes their own decisions, but far too often these days, people are inclined to act against their own self interests. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Well, in fairness, I thought that Hasbro did a few good things with the Atari brand. It was a different time, but I agree -- for the time, they did a lot more good with what they had than the current bag-holders have done to date. I mostly wanted to make a Homer Simpson joke. Playstation Pong was a treat back in the day. I would very much like for a real game company to acquire the Atari IP, preferably in a way that is maximally humiliating to the current partners. It's weird and wacky that there's so much consolidation and closing of talented development studios, while the t-shirt brand sellers with the twitchy lawyers of "Atari" survive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Some Atari E3 news that doesn't involve suing anyone: Atari at E3 2018 - A Resurgence in More Than Name [/gags] They're bringing Atari Flashback Classics with 150 games to the Switch. Why risk money on Atari VCS, again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Let's not forget that Hasbro also released all rights to the Jaguar and declared it to be an "open system," which helped to clear the way for third-party developers to produce games for it. I'm pretty sure that today's "Atari" would never do anything like that; they'd be more likely to try to find some slimy way to make money on it. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Homer Ataribawks joke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecRob Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 https://youtu.be/nuUEF9AygfI Finally a YouTuber with sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Dig the hubris in response to my question... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I refuse to watch some guy talking at a camera anymore. I don't know why they insist on wasting the pixels for that crap. At least make an effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVgaTv Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 https://youtu.be/nuUEF9AygfI Finally a YouTuber with sense yeah, no. skimmed the video and just in the parts I watched he claimed that Atari is still this massive multi-decade old corporation (they aren't), He also excused the faked gameplay of Tempest 4k saying "well it's running on the parts that are going into the VCS, therefore it's legit. And he said that Atari owned Tempest (which unless I'm mistaken isn't true) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 And he said that Atari owned Tempest (which unless I'm mistaken isn't true) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVgaTv Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 And he said that Atari owned Tempest (which unless I'm mistaken isn't true) That doesn't mean they still own the rights to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 That doesn't mean they still own the rights to it They have it on their Atari Flashback Classics software bundle that was released a couple of years ago so I would assume they own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) yeah, no. skimmed the video and just in the parts I watched he claimed that Atari is still this massive multi-decade old corporation (they aren't), He also excused the faked gameplay of Tempest 4k saying "well it's running on the parts that are going into the VCS, therefore it's legit. And he said that Atari owned Tempest (which unless I'm mistaken isn't true) In my little brouhaha that I'm in with #NotMyAtari he said basically "This is not the same Atari" Screenshots later Edited June 15, 2018 by Inky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladR Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Dig the hubris in response to my question... Screenshot_2018-06-15-10-35-29.png Is this shit actually real ? Can I please have a link to this conversation ? If Atari indeed likened selling retro T-shirts to "pictures of your family", then this must be the single most disgusting thing they managed to pull off in recent history. And no, scamming clueless simpletons out of their $300, does not even begin to come close. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Erm, "no actual facts" is your speciality, "Atari." 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Meanwhile, these fine people were at E3 and they just announced their console a few weeks ago 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Is this shit actually real ? Can I please have a link to this conversation ? If Atari indeed likened selling retro T-shirts to "pictures of your family", then this must be the single most disgusting thing they managed to pull off in recent history. And no, scamming clueless simpletons out of their $300, does not even begin to come close. I'll provide a link later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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