82-T/A Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Hey guys... I'm looking for something that I can load DOS onto, that has a built in DOS-compatible sound card. Something portable like an 11.5" laptop, that is fairly compact, and that I can play old DOS games on. Any idea? Most ideal would be a small 11.5" HP Stream, but I'd really prefer something a bit more vintage so I didn't have to deal with UEFI and all that other Jazz, and I don't think I can use the built in sound card in DOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRTGAMER Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 DOSBox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 That's a tough one. I'd say your best bet would be an early Pentium laptop from the mid-90s, when manufacturers were just starting to make the transition to Windows 95 and still provided DOS drivers and DOS-based configuration tools. I wish I still had my Toshiba Portege 610CT, for example. It was a 90MHz Pentium laptop that came with (I believe) 64MB of RAM; it shipped with either Windows 3.1 or Windows 95. If I remember correctly, it used a SoundBlaster-compatible ESS sound chip that had DOS drivers, and a Chips & Technologies graphics chip that was supported by Display Doctor, so it would be a good choice for DOS games. I used to use it with a combo Xircom Ethernet and 33.6K modem PCMCIA card, both of which were also supported by DOS. Toshiba sold a port replicator which added the usual legacy I/O ports (PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports, serial/parallel ports, VGA, etc); I used to use an NES-compatible controller wired to the parallel port with an adapter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) Get a Libretto! I dual boot an old Linux distro and MS DOS 5. It looks great running the original Tomb Raider for DOS.. without 3D accelerated graphics. Laura has really pointy boobs. You likely don't need one with a faster CPU unless you want to run a modern linux. For old DOS games it's perfect. I really treasure my Libretto! The only accessories you may need are either a PCMCIA CD-DROM or PCMCIA Ethernet as it only has a winmodem built in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Libretto Edited April 4, 2018 by thetick1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The HP Stream 11 is perfect for what you want. Run DOSbox on it and you can simulate any sound card you want, and install sound fonts too. It has plenty of power for ancient games, and storage is adequate with an SD card inserted. That's what I do. The keyboard is surprisingly good for a cheap laptop, and the power consumption will be far better than any vintage machine. No fan, runs quiet. You don't even have to pay much attention to the host OS if you aren't networking it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The HP Stream 11 is perfect for what you want. Run DOSbox on it and you can simulate any sound card you want, and install sound fonts too. It has plenty of power for ancient games, and storage is adequate with an SD card inserted. That's what I do. The keyboard is surprisingly good for a cheap laptop, and the power consumption will be far better than any vintage machine. No fan, runs quiet. You don't even have to pay much attention to the host OS if you aren't networking it. Oh wow Walmart even has them for $199. https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Stream-11-6-Laptop-Windows-10-Home-Office-365-Personal-1-year-subscription-included-Intel-Celeron-N3060-Processor-4GB-RAM-32GB-eMMC-Storage/54056479 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dripfree Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have had a couple of dos laptops from the 90's. You're going to be hard pressed to find one where the screen is any good. Also the battery won't hold a charge anymore, and you probably won't find any new old stock that still works so you'll have to make a pack. I've gone down that rabbit hole. I'd do emulation if I was you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Oh wow Walmart even has them for $199. https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Stream-11-6-Laptop-Windows-10-Home-Office-365-Personal-1-year-subscription-included-Intel-Celeron-N3060-Processor-4GB-RAM-32GB-eMMC-Storage/54056479 I bought the 13" for my kid for $200 from the Microsoft Store ("signature edition," no extra crapware) for $200 years ago when they were new, and liked it enough that I got an 11" on eBay for $70 for myself as a retro thing. I'll bet you can find a decent used deal -- lots of people give up on them because they're slow and have small storage, but they're still great for old GOG games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) I have had a couple of dos laptops from the 90's. You're going to be hard pressed to find one where the screen is any good. Also the battery won't hold a charge anymore, and you probably won't find any new old stock that still works so you'll have to make a pack. I've gone down that rabbit hole. I'd do emulation if I was you. My Libretto battery "died" a while back. I had it "rebuilt" and that gave me another 3-4 years. I had it "rebuilt" again and only got about a year or so. I use AC power on it now as new "rebuilt" battery is very expensive. Making a homemade battery pack is a necessity if want to retro laptop with mobility. Edited April 4, 2018 by thetick1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Making a homemade battery pack is a necessity if want to retro laptop with mobility. Ever since a bad battery blew up (as in, like a balloon) my GPD XD, I'm not screwing around with homemade batteries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ever since a bad battery blew up (as in, like a balloon) my GPD XD, I'm not screwing around with homemade batteries. If have homemade battery you need to watch them.. not leave them plugged in days etc.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) I bought the 13" for my kid for $200 from the Microsoft Store ("signature edition," no extra crapware) for $200 years ago when they were new, and liked it enough that I got an 11" on eBay for $70 for myself as a retro thing. I'll bet you can find a decent used deal -- lots of people give up on them because they're slow and have small storage, but they're still great for old GOG games. No troubles with windows 10 and updates? My experience is that these kind of laptops will themselves with updates so the 32GB gets filled very quick. Edited April 4, 2018 by roland p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 No troubles with windows 10 and updates? My experience is that these kind of laptops will themselves with updates so the 32GB gets filled very quick. I upgraded the 13" to Windows 10 a while back, and am experiencing some of this. I might roll it back to Windows 8 or put Linux on it instead. It's from 2014 so I shouldn't complain too much ... it's almost "classic" now, right? The 11" is still on Win8 and is fine as a host machine for emulators. I wouldn't want to use this for work or as my only machine, but it's awesome for toy purposes. My kid now prefers a $100 Chromebook. I think that emulators and things are easier on Windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I upgraded the 13" to Windows 10 a while back, and am experiencing some of this. I might roll it back to Windows 8 or put Linux on it instead. It's from 2014 so I shouldn't complain too much ... it's almost "classic" now, right? The 11" is still on Win8 and is fine as a host machine for emulators. I wouldn't want to use this for work or as my only machine, but it's awesome for toy purposes. My kid now prefers a $100 Chromebook. I think that emulators and things are easier on Windows. I got a lenovo thinkpad X250 from 2015 for my son (9) when his laptop (a 32gb lenovo netbook) broke. I wanted to replace the keyboard but it's just impossible to do maintenance on these laptops. For myself I got a Lenovo T440P. I got it for Visual Studio, but it runs NullDC and Dolphin too. It even has a CD-ROM which I'm likely to replace with a Blu-Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Actually, you can pretty much re-task any old netbook into booting Freedos, which will run 95% of the stuff you want to run, assuming you can find one with a compatible sound card. I just use PC speaker, as that's kind of the genuine experience for a lot of the games. No windows to muck with, and it boots in 5 seconds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatPix Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I remember my Toshiba (can't recall the model) from 1994 was an excellent DOS machine. the sound card was Sound Blaster 16 compatible so I could run DOS games perfectly. Sadly, it died recently; it refuse to recognize any hard drive :/ But as a DOS machine it did the job well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetick1 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Actually, you can pretty much re-task any old netbook into booting Freedos, which will run 95% of the stuff you want to run, assuming you can find one with a compatible sound card. I just use PC speaker, as that's kind of the genuine experience for a lot of the games. No windows to muck with, and it boots in 5 seconds. Good point FreeDOS is pretty much polished. It runs about anything DOS other than a few oddball apps like DESQView. I would think all retro DOS games would work fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Good point FreeDOS is pretty much polished. It runs about anything DOS other than a few oddball apps like DESQView. I would think all retro DOS games would work fine. Yeah, it runs anything I want it to run, so long as you remember how to muck with memory settings under dos, soundcard settings etc. Played dozens of hours of MOO and Civ on an old netbook with Freedos. Makes for a surprisingly effective distraction free writing environment too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I'd say a Portfolio, but for what you want that wouldn't cut it. A few years ago Dell offered FreeDOS as an OS option. Do they still offer it? You could also try eComStation or another OS/2-based OS. They're still supported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 You guys got me thinking about my Stream 13. I loaded Linux (Mint 18.3 Cinnamon if you care about such things) in about 20 minutes, and installed some emulators from the command line almost instantly. apt-get install dosbox .... done! I wish GOG worked as well in Linux as it does in Windows. I see that Steam is fully supported, and I'm tickled to see that I have 434 Linux compatible games. Yes, I have a Humble Bundle problem, who's asking? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thanatos Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Why does the new 'modern' keyboard style on these compact laptops remind me of something? Can't quite put my finger on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 The HP Stream 11 is perfect for what you want. Run DOSbox on it and you can simulate any sound card you want, and install sound fonts too. It has plenty of power for ancient games, and storage is adequate with an SD card inserted. That's what I do. The keyboard is surprisingly good for a cheap laptop, and the power consumption will be far better than any vintage machine. No fan, runs quiet. You don't even have to pay much attention to the host OS if you aren't networking it. Yes... I LOVE the HP Stream. My wife uses hers for internet and stuff while she's on the couch, and I use mine for Kali Linux and packet capture and whatever. I feel kind of silly saying this, but I actually forgot that I had a Dell Latitude 2120 Netbook. It's a simple 32-bit laptop w/ 2 gigs of ram, and a 200 gig hard drive. I loaded Windows 7 - 32-bit, and put DOS BOX like you guys recommended, and I am SUPER impressed. DOS BOX has gone a long way since I last used it (some 4-5 years ago). Very impressed. It ran really well. I played Champions of Krynn, and even played Warlords... all played flawlessly. Not too fast, and not too slow. Mine has a 1.6 GHz Atom processor. Super impressed. I didn't have the best experience with the last DOSBOX I tried, so I kind of assumed it wouldn't be much different. But super easy... Anyway, the 2120 is perfect. Perfect size... good battery, I'm pleased. Get a Libretto! I dual boot an old Linux distro and MS DOS 5. It looks great running the original Tomb Raider for DOS.. without 3D accelerated graphics. Laura has really pointy boobs. You likely don't need one with a faster CPU unless you want to run a modern linux. For old DOS games it's perfect. I really treasure my Libretto! The only accessories you may need are either a PCMCIA CD-DROM or PCMCIA Ethernet as it only has a winmodem built in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Libretto That is a SUPER awesome little netbook. I bet they were expensive back in the day. DOSBox Thanks for recommending it. I ended up giving it a try after reading this. No troubles with windows 10 and updates? My experience is that these kind of laptops will themselves with updates so the 32GB gets filled very quick. On my wife's HP Stream w/ Windows 10, we've run into some issues. It's not something you can't overcome, but it does get frustrating. When the anniversary updates come out, I have to run Scan Disk & Defrag, and Disk Cleanup... and then it frees up enough storage on the 32gig DOM that I can install the updates. Otherwise.. it gives me trouble. Honestly though, for people who aren't "computer people," I wonder what they do... maybe the just don't update. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Yes... I LOVE the HP Stream. Is there one with an IPS screen yet? I feel the dim TN screen is the weakest link of mine. It's okay and better than any vintage screen, but not as good as other modern things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 Is there one with an IPS screen yet? I feel the dim TN screen is the weakest link of mine. It's okay and better than any vintage screen, but not as good as other modern things. If I'm not mistaken, IPS essentially allows you to view the screen at angles with the same clarity as it otherwise would be if you were looking at it "head-on," correct? Or are there other benefits to it? I don't see anything about it having IPS, so I have to assume neither of the two HP Streams that I have, have IPS screens in them. It IS very clear though, I'll give it that. What I love about the HP Stream is that... not only is it insanely quiet (there's no fan), but it also NEVER gets hot... NEVER. And, the battery lasts an insanely long time. You can go 8-9 hours and it never needs charging. Anyway, I did run into an issue with my Dell 2120... it works flawlessly, but in realizing that it doesn't have a directional keypad, I have no way of moving diagonally... since most laptops don't have a num-lock. For games like Champions of Krynn and stuff like that... there's no way to go diagonally. I don't think I can change the keys for the game, but maybe DOSBOX will let me remap them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Mushy USB arrow keys! Silicone Flexible USB 32 Keys Extended Numeric Keypad w/ Retractable Wired Cable http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1ST3251378 Probably feels like a Sinclair Spectrum or similar vintage thing. Yeah DOSbox is infinitely customizable, but what a pain in the ass that will be. I guess playing DOS RPGs is even more so though, hah Someone has probably made a utility or FAQ for this issue? I'm curious now and will poke around when I have more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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