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While playing around with emulation I used an 800XL ROM but not the inbuilt BASIC ROM.

 

Much to my surprise I saw a colourful "Atari" (better than MEMO PAD!). Is this the same logo displayed by the 1200XL? Is there anyway of displaying this on a real Atari? I suppose a U1MB image could be used without BASIC?

 

(Correction to above I may have selected a 1200 ROM by mistake?)

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Sounds like you just selected a 1200XL ROM somehow. There's several ways to get that ROM in any XL based machine (EPROM, multiple OS replacement upgrades, etc.) There should also be numerous versions of standalone files that also display the logo with the common "Atari rainbow".

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Not sure what ROM you were using, but there exists an OS ROM for XL/XE computers named "PUD OS" originally by ARGS (regional Abbuc group that does not exist anymore). PUD = Power-Up Display or better Atari Fuji of a 1200XL OS. Think this PUD OS therefore lacks the Selftest...

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There is an ARGS 800 compatible OS on the 32-in-1 I've never tried...I wonder if it has the splash screen? I'll have to check it out. Of course the 1200XL's are also on it, so I use them for "museum" display mode when I have company that might be interested.

 

I was always curious what the 'ARGS' stood for, but just never bothered to try the OS, because I didn't really know and it said 800 compatible, so since I have real 800 OS's on it too, just never had an interest before now in using it.

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I like the Altirra OS splash screen....Very Amiga....Really nice too...Would have been seriously funky back in the day...

 

ARGS OS has a semi splash screen...If you hold SELECT and RESET you get the Rom disk screen

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The orignal 1200XL OS's work just fine on later XL/XE's, but you lose access to internal BASIC, so you have to use a cartridge BASIC just like a stock 1200XL. :)

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I was always curious what the 'ARGS' stood for,

I read somewhere "ABBUC Regional Group Stuttgart". Not sure all the features, but my brief try of the OS in my 32-in-1 showed support for the Ralf David ROM-Disk with Select+Reset.

 

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/223726-romdisk-os/?p=2958771

 

Further reading of that thread shows it has highspeed SIO support, and a single line ml monitor as well.

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I made a real bonehead mistake years ago. One of the 1200XL I picked up had that splash screen with the names of 7 or 8 developers. I figure it was a perk given out to members of the development team. I replaced the OS with a switchable 800xl & Omnimon set. I lost the original ROMs which I rate as one of the stupidest things I have done in the last 40 years.

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If anyone sees an Atari XL/XE that displays a full screen rainbow pattern when powered on, PLEASE dump the EPROM chip that is in your BASIC socket.

 

I will not only send you a correct Atari BASIC EPROM chip that plugs right in (Motorola 68764/68766), but I will pay shipping both ways for your EPROM if you would be kind enough to send it to me.

 

PM me if anyone finds one of these. They will mainly come from cable companies, hotels, casinos.

 

That chip means the computer was made to run SpectraView-1 (more expensive than Spec-2 [which we have]).

We don't have a dump of a Spec-1 cart, but the BASIC replacement chip is a good start.

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The orignal 1200XL OS's work just fine on later XL/XE's, but you lose access to internal BASIC, so you have to use a cartridge BASIC just like a stock 1200XL. :)

You completely lose access to PBI devices as well.

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That chip means the computer was made to run SpectraView-1 (more expensive than Spec-2 [which we have]).

We don't have a dump of a Spec-1 cart, but the BASIC replacement chip is a good start.

I noticed there's a SpectaView 2 cart on ebay in Canada: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/283445493880

 

But same seller also has this one, an Info/soft 7000 graphic generator? Have you heard of that?

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/283445463516

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I noticed there's a SpectaView 2 cart on ebay in Canada: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/283445493880

 

But same seller also has this one, an Info/soft 7000 graphic generator? Have you heard of that?

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/283445463516

Yes, I know about Infosoft.

 

BITD, I used to work for D.E.L. Compu-Cable Systems. The name changed to Display Systems International. I *HAD* all the files for the ROMs. But, over time... Hard drive crashes and worn out floppies later... I only have the ROMs for SpectraView-II.

 

Still looking for the Spec-1 stuff. The EPROM that replaces BASIC and the other 2 that go into the OSS style cart. Same as orange BXLcart.

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Yes, I know about Infosoft.

 

BITD, I used to work for D.E.L. Compu-Cable Systems. The name changed to Display Systems International. I *HAD* all the files for the ROMs. But, over time... Hard drive crashes and worn out floppies later... I only have the ROMs for SpectraView-II.

 

It's neat that DSI, based out of Saskatoon is just a few hours drive from me in Regina. Did you ever visit them there? I think you need your own ANTIC podcast inerview with all of your historical connections. :)

 

Daja vu thinking about these products... I vaguely recall playing with some sort of display screen cartridge my dad had borrowed for a while when I was a kid. It was highly customizable for the background/foreground colours, but I remember it could vertically scroll graphics-1 style text in multiple areas... I could save the screen and the entered text to disk, or to cassette (C:) Does this sound like either of those products?

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It's neat that DSI, based out of Saskatoon is just a few hours drive from me in Regina. Did you ever visit them there? I think you need your own ANTIC podcast inerview with all of your historical connections. :)

 

Daja vu thinking about these products... I vaguely recall playing with some sort of display screen cartridge my dad had borrowed for a while when I was a kid. It was highly customizable for the background/foreground colours, but I remember it could vertically scroll graphics-1 style text in multiple areas... I could save the screen and the entered text to disk, or to cassette (C:) Does this sound like either of those products?

 

The main office was in Saskatoon. I was in Pennsylvania. Not really much to say in an interview. I just fixed some XL's and XE's and disk drives.

 

I remember horizontal scrollers, but not vertical.

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Is there any OS that preserves normal 800XL functions but just replaces the self-test with the Rainbow splash screen? I'd like to put that in my Ultimate 1200XL to make the boot up look more "original". 

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I don't think so - the rainbow screen was replaced by PBI code mainly.

 

In theory a modded OS should be possible without taking away those functions but I think the stock XL OSes do call some functions within that 2K Rom space.

The earlier posted XEX is less than 1K, so maybe an easier mod could be to just put it in place of the second character set.

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On 6/25/2019 at 7:09 AM, slx said:

Is there any OS that preserves normal 800XL functions but just replaces the self-test with the Rainbow splash screen? I'd like to put that in my Ultimate 1200XL to make the boot up look more "original". 

 

I took that 1200XL splash screen file and reworked it to go into the self-test code space.  The 6502 code in that 1200XL splash xex posted is pretty... baroque.  I hope that wasn't Atari coding because I did the same thing with almost 200 less bytes.  I also made one with a colorful ANTIC 4 fuji I ripped from some Atari music tutorial disk.  To see them, boot up with no disk drives or BYE from BASIC.

 

It appears the self test code isn't computed in the main checksum so you can just drop that 2K into the ROM without any other changes.

 

atarixl-rev2-1200xlselftest.rom atarixl-rev2-fujiselftest.rom

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Thank You warerat, I have a possible upcoming project. I told the individual the Rainbow would be gone once the update was completed, this solves what would be a lost bit of 1200XL flare and character.

 

Much appreciated,

One question, if something throws the hardware into self test (as opposed to start up entry) were you able to fit some indication that it was sent there in that fashion, as perhaps a red background color or some visual cue?

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On 4/9/2019 at 10:47 AM, Kyle22 said:

 

The main office was in Saskatoon. I was in Pennsylvania. Not really much to say in an interview. I just fixed some XL's and XE's and disk drives.

 

I remember horizontal scrollers, but not vertical.

Maybe I mis-understood. There were pages of text scrolling vertically, but not single vertical scrollers (as in a demo).

 

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On 3/16/2019 at 3:31 PM, CharlieChaplin said:

Not sure what ROM you were using, but there exists an OS ROM for XL/XE computers named "PUD OS" originally by ARGS (regional Abbuc group that does not exist anymore). PUD = Power-Up Display or better Atari Fuji of a 1200XL OS. Think this PUD OS therefore lacks the Selftest...

did anyone have any joy locating a copy of the PUD OS rom?

On 3/16/2019 at 9:12 PM, ricortes said:

I made a real bonehead mistake years ago. One of the 1200XL I picked up had that splash screen with the names of 7 or 8 developers. I figure it was a perk given out to members of the development team. I replaced the OS with a switchable 800xl & Omnimon set. I lost the original ROMs which I rate as one of the stupidest things I have done in the last 40 years.

same question for this too. I've scoured google search without any luck. i suppose the key here is "knowing" the actual name of this rom?

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Pud.rom  /with splash screen but so fast I was not able to capture it.  Seems to be similar to rev2 os.  And also some key press sounds.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rdea6 said:

Pud.rom  /with splash screen but so fast I was not able to capture it.  Seems to be similar to rev2 os.  And also some key press sounds.

 

 

 

that's an interesting one. certainly not a Fuji (as per top post), but interesting enough.

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Got a screenshot using Altirra:

 

pud.png.c62c015379644f00d31081411f92942d.png

 

Seems to also be here: http://ftp.pigwa.net/stuff/collections/RK-DVD/Atari 800 Images und Files/Cartridges And Roms/System Roms/

as "Aegaeis softscape 1991.rom"

 

And found this in an older version of the Atari 8-bit FAQ:

Pud CRC32: 0x95EC9329
- Proof of concept rom for a Power-Up display, made by Aegaeis Softscape.
There might be many versions of this now, because it was advertised to sell,
tailored to suit anyone with a name to stick in. Has no SelfTest, since that
area is replaced with custom graphics/routines for the power-up display. Based
on XE rom. Fully compatible. 
- If booted with Select, the startup screen will be skipped. If left by it's
own devices, the startup screen will show for about 2.5 seconds. If  Select is
pressed in that time short time, it'll continue to show until Select is
released again.

But this passage is not in the corrent version at https://mcurrent.name/atari-8-bit/faq.txt

 

I wonder if any of the supposed advertisements can be found.

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