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3 hours ago, Shawn said:

 

That was cleared up and decided on, Curt said there won't be a need for an added power supply. I was happy to hear that myself. 

Oh yeah, that's some good news.

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4 hours ago, Cobra Kai said:

Oh yeah, that's some good news.

 

Old but good, yes. I'm wondering why 5 months have passed with a whole nothing getting done when it was supposed to be going into overdrive getting finished ASAP cause of the pandemic giving anyone and everyone so much more time to do such things. From what I'm gathering that was hot air and the needle has moved even less towards completion. The only progress that has been stated is in regards to a different jingle for the yamaha audio test routine. There was already one in place for that in the bios version that went out in February so really nothing has been done at all as far as those waiting on this thing would be concerned. It makes me personally feel very upset in a few different ways but that is on me for letting myself feel that way about this. I should have known better and it's my own fault for thinking or feeling any different. Curt seems to be at the mercy of Mark as far the the software part goes, Here is hoping with the hardware finished as long as it has been that he has been building up the XM units this whole time and their is a bunch of them just waiting for a BIOS he will ship to the masses. 

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Maybe you need to take a break.. lets go over to the is the 7800 necessary? thread and crack sum skullz. 

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16 minutes ago, Jinks said:

Maybe you need to take a break.. lets go over to the is the 7800 necessary? thread and crack sum skullz. 

Well money was taken 10 year ago soon, I think it's reasonable to wonder if time is put on the important stuff to get it shipped some day.

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These guys are basically working on this for free. Give it a rest. It'll be done when it's done.

 

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56 minutes ago, Zonie said:

These guys are basically working on this for free. Give it a rest. It'll be done when it's done.

That's the problem - if "it will be done when it's done", don't keep promising dates and missing them.  Shawn is rightfully upset because this is not the first time, nor is it the 20th time we've been told we'll have them in a few weeks, only for months to go by with no information, then years go by.

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You can always sell your spot to someone else. No shortage of people here who want one...

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I guess the point here is if you don't have a target objective, things will drag forever.

 

Their is a lot of value to complete a project event if it's now 100% perfect. I think the demo music is a good example of thing that could have been dropped.

 

Or maybe it's just a freebies since it's not the critical path of the project.

We don't know since we don't really got updates.

 

I'm in this for 10 years and been very patient and quiet and I won't give up my spot, my DK XM is ready to be used.

 

That being said, I think 10 year is a nice round number and it would be nice to see this ship this year.

 

If their is "No shortage of people here who want one" lets get those people to make new preorder, generate some cash flow that way and let's pay someone full time to finish the firmware.

 

My Two Cents

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Zonie said:

You can always sell your spot to someone else. No shortage of people here who want one...

 

That is absolutely not a valid solution for anyone. Where you told both personally and publicly that one of the XM systems was earmarked to be sent to you at the end of February\ into early March of this year? I sure was. That was 5 months ago and I still personally have nothing and it seems the project on a whole has not moved an inch in that time either. A time frame that was specifically stated to the public as time to put it into overdrive and get it finished ASAP due to having so much extra time to be able to get things done when the whole world was otherwise shutdown at at home. That did not happen. I'm not even considering what's transpired over the last decade, forget that for right now, I'm only speaking to this year of 2020 and what has been said to both me personally and to everyone else publicly. It's gross mistreatment. Anyone and everyone in such a situation no matter what it related to would be, and is totally justified to be, upset beyond words about such a situation. Selling my, your (I dunno if you are pre-ordered or not, I assume you are) or anyone else's spot to someone else is not on the table, but my XM unit and however many others that could have been built and shipped by now should have been and they are not. There is no justifiable reason for this. I'm not out of line nor speaking out of turn on this. 

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Y'know, I seem to remember that one of the devs involved quit because of how people treated him here and expect him to bend over backwards for them when they don't get what they want. If people keep bitching, they may all just say fuck it, and then we all will be out our $100. Wanna reimburse everyone because you pissed off the devs? 

Remember, we paid for the housings only, the contents are gratis. They'll make some back on after pre-order sales, but never recoup their total investment. 

 

These guys do this for the love of the hobby. I'm happy they do. I wish I could afford to buy every home brew I want, but cannot. If you have ever spent ANY time designing hardware or coding (I do) you would realize that you are getting something for about 20% of what it should cost when it finally does arrive.

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10 minutes ago, Zonie said:

Y'know, I seem to remember that one of the devs involved quit because of how people treated him here and expect him to bend over backwards for them when they don't get what they want.

Remember, we paid for the housings only, the contents are gratis. They'll make some back on after pre-order sales, but never recoup their total investment. 

 

 

 

That is 100 percent false. That statement of what the money covered only came up well afterward. As for GroovyBee "quitting" there is a hell of a lot more to that story than you seem to realize and it's not limited to his involvement in the XM and people complaining about HIS feature creeping on it's specs holding things back. There is much more to do with his other matters including other consoles, games and a ton of money that where at the forefront of that situation. And yes, for a time GroovyBee did quit, and then refused to play nice and kept the source code to himself of what he did have done on the BIOS when both CPUWIZ and tepe32 both offered to complete the BIOS in his absence, again this was years ago. And if you don't think that CPUWIZ or tepe32 would have had this all signed, sealed and delivered years ago on the software side you would be greatly understating the abilities of both men. Hell, if you think either of those two wouldn't have had it done over the last 6 months of nil progress you would again be selling them short. Trust me when I say I wish this situation was 100 percent different than it is.

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1 hour ago, Zonie said:

You can always sell your spot to someone else. No shortage of people here who want one...

Why the hell would I step out of line after being backer #11?  Trust me bud, I've earned my right to bitch about things more than any of the "johnny come lately" folks.

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23 minutes ago, Zonie said:

Y'know, I seem to remember that one of the devs involved quit because of how people treated him here and expect him to bend over backwards for them when they don't get what they want. If people keep bitching, they may all just say fuck it, and then we all will be out our $100. Wanna reimburse everyone because you pissed off the devs? 

Remember, we paid for the housings only, the contents are gratis. They'll make some back on after pre-order sales, but never recoup their total investment. 

 

These guys do this for the love of the hobby. I'm happy they do. I wish I could afford to buy every home brew I want, but cannot. If you have ever spent ANY time designing hardware or coding (I do) you would realize that you are getting something for about 20% of what it should cost when it finally does arrive.

Also bullshit.  I did not pay for just a case.  I gave money to handle the cases and drive a finished product.  Don't chime in with that "be positive or you'll cause the project to fail" garbage either.  I've never charged someone and not had work done within a week let alone a DECADE.  Also, when I fail at something I get called out for it.  I don't blame the people causing me stress to have caused the failure.  My failure to deliver caused them to yell at me.  Pretty simple concept.

 

There's a saying "don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining".  At this point, I'd rather hear nothing for the next 5 years rather than another single false promise or missed date.

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1 hour ago, Zonie said:

Y'know, I seem to remember that one of the devs involved quit because of how people treated him here and expect him to bend over backwards for them when they don't get what they want. If people keep bitching, they may all just say fuck it, and then we all will be out our $100. Wanna reimburse everyone because you pissed off the devs? 

Remember, we paid for the housings only, the contents are gratis. They'll make some back on after pre-order sales, but never recoup their total investment. 

 

These guys do this for the love of the hobby. I'm happy they do. I wish I could afford to buy every home brew I want, but cannot. If you have ever spent ANY time designing hardware or coding (I do) you would realize that you are getting something for about 20% of what it should cost when it finally does arrive.

I'm a dev too and I got my own project going on. I do it because I love it. I don't take people money upfront since this set expectations which is normal. If preorder didnt cover the cost its not the problem of the end user.

 

When you take people money you become accountable to those person. If there is a software problem holding the release then action need to be taken. Reaching out publicly will only help.

 

Nothing happen waiting for someone to have time to do it. Will more money raise from extra preorder motivate them?

 

If not I'm sure there is dev out there out of a job that would gladly take the contract. 

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1 hour ago, DarthCloud said:

I don't take people money upfront

 

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Its been almost 10 years since I funded this project. I was under the impression that it would come with an SIO port. Now i guess I will have to install it myself. But I suck a soldering so I guess it wont happen. One of the reasons I bought this was for the chance to load ROMs from my PC. I am very disappointed by this. I have only funded one other pre-order and that was Rocketerre from Groovy and I know I will never see my money or game from that. So glad I didnt support the taco VCS boys. Hopefully we will see some hardware soon.

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Guys wth?? Everyone needs to chillax and stop acting like a bunch of Sega kids. We have been through this a thousand times already. I almost threw up when I read the last 8 or so posts. I know we can be more intelligent than this. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jinks said:

Guys wth?? Everyone needs to chillax and stop acting like a bunch of Sega kids. We have been through this a thousand times already. I almost threw up when I read the last 8 or so posts. I know we can be more intelligent than this.

1 hour ago, Jinks said:

I don't really care, I make my own hardware and promise nothing.  BTW, if they manage to detect my board, dual POKEY is possible.

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It's only been 4 years...

It's only been 5 years...

It's only been 8 years...

Now, we're at 10 years and hearing the same thing. At what amount of years is it OK to bitch about the wait? Asking for a friend.

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12 hours ago, Cobra Kai said:

It's only been 4 years...

It's only been 5 years...

It's only been 8 years...

Now, we're at 10 years and hearing the same thing. At what amount of years is it OK to bitch about the wait? Asking for a friend.

I bitched for 5 or 6 of those years really hardcore.. does it help? Nope!! 

 

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17 hours ago, CPUWIZ said:

I don't really care, I make my own hardware and promise nothing.  BTW, if they manage to detect my board, dual POKEY is possible.

I know. I just could not stomach another bitchfest... It seemed so 2013.. 

Maybe I am the one that needs to leave this thread. Enjoy guys!! 😛

 

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2 hours ago, Jinks said:

I bitched for 5 or 6 of those years really hardcore.. does it help? Nope!! 

 

It might not help the release date, but it sure helps vent the steam once in awhile.

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Yep - just another "pop off" before we wait out the next 7 years.  I am thinking that XM release notices should from here on out, only go out with the "Cicada Cycle(TM)".  I am pretty sure, we'll have the XM before Comet NeoWise comes around again in 1000+ years.

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I'm curious how many XM's have been physically built on the hardware side of things over this span of time and are just waiting for this "consumer" BIOS revision to be sent out to the masses? I mean it's not like the BIOS not being ready for mass use can stop the already finalized hardware from being built. You would think that a large number of them will have been built since the last XM unit was shipped out to Synthapoloza right? They would be just sitting ready to get a fresh BIOS flash to get out the door I would hope?  I'm not being silly here either, I'd really like to know how many where built in the meantime from March 2nd till July 30th?

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