0078265317 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 https://bleedingcool.com/games/atari-unveils-vault-of-100-games-optimized-for-the-atari-vcs/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitanClassic Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Technically the games are optimized for the new Atari Wireless Classic joystick, for the VCS. There would be some amount of engineering effort to get the games to operate correctly with the new twisting joystick (racing/paddle controlls), and dual-button support. It also ismr clear if the LEDs on the joystick react to the game, or if they are a product of some internal mechanism in the joystick itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyK Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Already on Steam. It's actually a very nice package. But it's already on Steam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800Knight Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I'll stick with my actual console, thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 hours ago, CapitanClassic said: Technically the games are optimized for the new Atari Wireless Classic joystick, for the VCS. There would be some amount of engineering effort to get the games to operate correctly with the new twisting joystick (racing/paddle controlls), and dual-button support. It also ismr clear if the LEDs on the joystick react to the game, or if they are a product of some internal mechanism in the joystick itself. Not really, easier to emulate with hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 New PC VCS. Not the 2600 VCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Swami said: New PC VCS. Not the 2600 VCS. Yes, no need for software changes inside the ROM's, at least not if you have half a brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I'm 197% thrilled that this has happened. There just aren't enough different ways to play Centipede these days. ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KaeruYojimbo Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 hours ago, x=usr(1536) said: I'm 197% thrilled that this has happened. There just aren't enough different ways to play Centipede these days. ? The new VCS plays centipede!? When did they announce that? [insert appropriate sarcasm emoji here] 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Wow - you mean I can finally play original 2600 games and I only have to spend $400 on the unconsole to do it? Wow man - sign me up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffVav Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 12:56 PM, CapitanClassic said: Technically the games are optimized for the new Atari Wireless Classic joystick, for the VCS. There would be some amount of engineering effort to get the games to operate correctly with the new twisting joystick (racing/paddle controlls), and dual-button support. It also ismr clear if the LEDs on the joystick react to the game, or if they are a product of some internal mechanism in the joystick itself. You will find that, in Atari Vault, in the arcade games, the LEDs respond to game events. e.g. in Asteroids: shooting, thrust, orientation of the ship, destruction, as examples. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, JeffVav said: You will find that, in Atari Vault, in the arcade games, the LEDs respond to game events. e.g. in Asteroids: shooting, thrust, orientation of the ship, destruction, as examples. Why would you be staring down at the controller to see what the LEDs are doing when you're supposed to be watching what's happening on the screen? That's also going to be really distracting in a darkened room. This just doesn't seem like a design detail that has any benefit in the real world, but likely has more than a few detriments. Edited December 17, 2020 by x=usr(1536) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nall3k Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 5:09 PM, davyK said: Already on Steam. It's actually a very nice package. But it's already on Steam. Missile Command is my favorite using a mouse. Too hard with a joystick or trackball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Yeah, it's a nice package. Totally worth the $3 I paid for it in a Steam sale a few years back. ? I'll give the classic joystick props for being the one innovative thing in the entire project, but I'd still be inclined to see how they fare in action for a few months before I'd consider getting one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnakiMana Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 In the November 12th blog post focusing on the new classic joystick, they highlight 10 of the 150 enhanced games (between Volume 1 & 2 of the enhanced Vault). Personally I think this is going to make playing the Vault games a lot more fun than on my Steam copies. And I sure don't mind that the first volume is FREE and 2nd is super cheap! Atari VCS Vault: Fully-Optimized for the Classic Joystick The Atari VCS Vault that comes free with every Atari VCS, and the Atari VCS Vault Vol. 2 DLC have been optimized for the new Wireless Classic Joystick and the team has compiled it’s Top Ten favorite Atari Vault classics they suggest fans play first: Pong — paddle function and vibration Red Baron — acts like a plane joystick Breakout/Super Breakout — paddle function and vibration Tempest — precise rotation Warlords — precise rotation helps gameplay Centipede/Millipede — fast simplified movement works well Liberator — Enhanced aiming Lunar Lander — Combination of rotation and joystick direction blends really well Major Havoc — Rotation control adds to the fun Missile Command — Fast movement for precise aiming Also, as previously announced, the Atari VCS version of Missile Command: Recharged has also been optimized for use with the Atari Wireless Classic Joystick (or Modern Controller) and there are more optimized games coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffVav Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 hours ago, AnakiMana said: In the November 12th blog post focusing on the new classic joystick, they highlight 10 of the 150 enhanced games (between Volume 1 & 2 of the enhanced Vault). Personally I think this is going to make playing the Vault games a lot more fun than on my Steam copies. And I sure don't mind that the first volume is FREE and 2nd is super cheap! Atari VCS Vault: Fully-Optimized for the Classic Joystick The Atari VCS Vault that comes free with every Atari VCS, and the Atari VCS Vault Vol. 2 DLC have been optimized for the new Wireless Classic Joystick and the team has compiled it’s Top Ten favorite Atari Vault classics they suggest fans play first: Pong — paddle function and vibration Red Baron — acts like a plane joystick Breakout/Super Breakout — paddle function and vibration Tempest — precise rotation Warlords — precise rotation helps gameplay Centipede/Millipede — fast simplified movement works well Liberator — Enhanced aiming Lunar Lander — Combination of rotation and joystick direction blends really well Major Havoc — Rotation control adds to the fun Missile Command — Fast movement for precise aiming Also, as previously announced, the Atari VCS version of Missile Command: Recharged has also been optimized for use with the Atari Wireless Classic Joystick (or Modern Controller) and there are more optimized games coming. The odd thing with this list is that the classic controller provides twist but the stick maps directly to the D-pad function. So there's been no specific enhancement for the classic controller input in Centipede, Millipede, Liberator, or Missile Command. They'll behave the same as using the arrow keys on your PC keyboard. Unless they're just talking about the ergonomic feel of the controller itself, but then analogue does give more flexibility in emulating a trackball than D-pad does. Personally I'd have have put the 2600 games on the list as benefitting from the ergonomics more, and Race/Indy 500 and the paddle games (Circus Atari etc.) for benefitting from Twist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Stupid question: Are these "'classics" 2600 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffVav Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Stupid question: Are these "'classics" 2600 games? Well half of them are arcade only (e.g. Liberator). I'd assumed they were just referring to arcade games since there are 2600 games that definitely benefit more that aren't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 How about Missile Command, Centipede and Millipede? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffVav Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: How about Missile Command, Centipede and Millipede? You'd have to ask whoever wrote the article. I'm just inferring from the fact that no game on the list is not an arcade game and if 2600 games were included there are others that probably deserve to be there more. e.g. any 2600 paddle or driving controller game over Liberator. (Please don't conclude I have something against Liberator. ) I do note with Red Baron they must be speaking strictly of ergonomics not function. That said, the classic stick is closer to the CX-40 so the 2600 games will presumably feel more familiar on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) Atari 2600 missile command, centipede, and millipede are designed for 8-way joysticks as is. With the arcade versions someone has to decide what speed the player moves, or even add acceleration, when using a digital joystick. Same thing applies to arcade machines that used analog joysticks like red baron. Edited December 21, 2020 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 IMO these games have to be played with a trackball. Every other controller is only 2nd best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) The arcade versions should have mouse/trackball support like vault for the pc. It would be disappointing if it didn't. The comments are about optimising for the vcs controllers. Edited December 21, 2020 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnakiMana Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 7 hours ago, mr_me said: The arcade versions should have mouse/trackball support like vault for the pc. It would be disappointing if it didn't. The comments are about optimising for the vcs controllers. Atari staff have verified that trackball PC mice were tested on the VCS and worked great as arcade rollerballs. I was going to get a good one after learning that, and ended up getting an X-Arcade Tankstick with roller. I'm pretty much all set since I've got 2 of their modern & two classic on the way too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizzard Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) I would like to ask about the controller latency in Atari Vault on VCS. As I am running that OS on my PC, the latency is not good, so I am unsure if the problem is my non-gaming laptop or the games are really not optimized. Edited December 30, 2020 by Wizzard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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