ivop Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Preppie said: The other problem is that he's got crates of the things from an old warehouse. Wouldn't alter what you have but will be a little annoying when he's selling the 10,000th copy in a few years time for $10. Even if that was the case, I don't think having payed ~$400 US would make you feel like you've been robbed. But if this guy: https://www.pcmag.com/news/unopened-copy-of-super-mario-bros-3-fetches-for-156000-breaking-record happens to have a lot more with the early hand and unopened...... Edited November 21, 2020 by ivop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, Preppie said: The other problem is that he's got crates of the things from an old warehouse. Wouldn't alter what you have but will be a little annoying when he's selling the 10,000th copy in a few years time for $10. Well, he's got to get something back for what he paid on the crates of goods. In the auction, he just said they were "vintage" not "rare". Haha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, ivop said: I'm sure this can be faked. Look at at counterfeit paintings that even experts could not tell apart. They got wood from the same period to make the frame, or strip an old painting of all its paint (with stuff that was available in the particular time you are aiming for), make it look older by adding some coffee or tea or dirt mixture. Use the same paints of that period. Add grease to the surface, heat them in an oven to make the paint crack, et cetera.... To make matters worse, you have these "validation" houses that are certifying repros as being authentic protos -- like what happened a few years back with the plentifully available Super Pac-Man repro from B & C (or wherever), which was put on Ebay for thousands of dollars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, CharlieChaplin said: Hmmm, buying rare A8 items at ebay for a high cost to never use them is always risky (they might be defect, empty, etc.). Maybe the seller already knew the buyer (collector) would never use these items and therefore sold almost empty shrink-wrapped boxes ? If you do not want to open them, you will never know for sure (and the rattling may come from some disk-sized cardboards inside the boxes)... ;-> That is what they do with these kind of games, and some idiot paid 114,000: Edited November 21, 2020 by high voltage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 48 minutes ago, ivop said: Even if that was the case, I don't think having payed ~$400 US would make you feel like you've been robbed. But if this guy: https://www.pcmag.com/news/unopened-copy-of-super-mario-bros-3-fetches-for-156000-breaking-record happens to have a lot more with the early hand and unopened...... Yes, and this, obviously no game inside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Cade Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Shrink looks original, or extremely well faked. I err on the side of original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 19 hours ago, MrFish said: Are you still retaining all your arms and legs? Nah, it's all about the kidneys now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+slx Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 hours ago, high voltage said: That is what they do with these kind of games, and some idiot paid 114,000: As experienced during the tulip and dotcom bubbles, from a certain point onwards the intrinsic value of things does not matter and prices jump up because the next buyer expects the thing to appreciate even more, until banks refuse credit and/or there is no next buyer. I doubt that all 100K$ games will be sold at >100K$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Here is another CRAZY Atari 8-bit auction. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Atari-800-XL-Rhiannon-Software-Cave-Girl-Clair-Computer-Game-Video-Disc-/363173705003 I think Satan bought it. I put a MUCH SMALLER BID on it to archive it. Not the type of archive were you put the unsealed box on shelf where no one sees it. The other archive, where you scan the box, manual and disk and make the program into an ATX so everyone can look and use it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Allan said: Here is another CRAZY Atari 8-bit auction. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Atari-800-XL-Rhiannon-Software-Cave-Girl-Clair-Computer-Game-Video-Disc-/363173705003 I think Satan bought it. I put a MUCH SMALLER BID on it to archive it. Not the type of archive were you put the unsealed box on shelf where no one sees it. The other archive, where you scan the box, manual and disk and make the program into an ATX so everyone can look and use it. I'm not surprised with something from Rhiannon Software. The titles are rare and seem to be pretty high quality, with nice artwork and in a bound book from Addison-Wesley. They're also unique titles, aimed at young females. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Those four games from Rhiannon are indeed very rare. First games featuring females Clair (Cave Girl Clair, Addison Wesley, 1983, main character) Lauren (Lauren of the 25th century, Addison Wesley, 1983, main character) Chelsea (Chelsea of the south sea Islands, Addison Wesley, 1983, main character) Jenny (Jenny of the prairie, Addison Wesley, 1984, main character) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnurrikowski Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, high voltage said: That is what they do with these kind of games, and some idiot paid 114,000: You should be careful with your harsh comments. The game under question is an extremely rare test marketing version. Full story can be found at arstechnica website. Edited November 22, 2020 by Schnurrikowski better word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Schnurrikowski said: Full story can be found at arstechnica website. Right, a "full story", where the main sources are CEO of Wata, the body which profits from the whole "grading" sham, and one of the three buyers (yes, three of them chipped in to buy "shares" in this game...lol). That buyer sits on the board of Wata, which I'm sure is a total coincidence (they said it is so it must be true) ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikebloke Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Yes authentication bodies for video games is frustrating.wata are known for falsification of quality as well. You don't see any antiques being sold at auction being incased in plastic shells, so why should we do it for video games. Yes, a lot of this stuff will deteriorate eventually, but encasing it means you have to break it open to get a second opinion. No other valuing service runs on the idea of preventing a second valuing service from doing their job. Whole thing is a con. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColleenLover Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 WOW...ok I also thought of this and very closely inspected them with a magnifying glass. The shrink wrap appears to be original (it has very small random holes caused by the plastic ageing and opening at stress points). Also, the edges of the box (where a human finger ---always--- bends the paper to open the lid) is pristine, perfectly smooth NO cracks /bends appears untouched. When you shake the boxes, you can "feel" that this is a book and a disks moving inside.. Also, this seller had a large number of unopened titles, that he confessed to me that he got lucky at an estate sale recently from a person that had passed away. Wish I hadn't said that, might jinks myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 16 hours ago, ColleenLover said: WOW...ok I also thought of this and very closely inspected them with a magnifying glass. The shrink wrap appears to be original (it has very small random holes caused by the plastic ageing and opening at stress points). Also, the edges of the box (where a human finger ---always--- bends the paper to open the lid) is pristine, perfectly smooth NO cracks /bends appears untouched. When you shake the boxes, you can "feel" that this is a book and a disks moving inside.. Also, this seller had a large number of unopened titles, that he confessed to me that he got lucky at an estate sale recently from a person that had passed away. Wish I hadn't said that, might jinks myself. You made a good deal with two awesome games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preppie Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Do you want 18 sealed choplifter carts? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atari-800-600-400-Computer-Cartridge-Choplifter-18-New-Sealed-Vintage-Stock/254794406341?hash=item3b52ee19c5:g:ZggAAOSwACpfxTTi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preppie Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 or 20 for the vic 20 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Commodore-Vic-20-Computer-Cartridge-Choplifter-20-New-Sealed-Vintage-Stock/254794399649?hash=item3b52edffa1:g:GwEAAOSw86pfxTNi How about 20 serpentine carts for Atari? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atari-800-600-400-Computer-Cartridge-Serpentine-20-New-Sealed-Vintage-Stock/254794397173?hash=item3b52edf5f5:g:QVsAAOSwsUJfxTJ~ damn! this guy had a nice find. I think I would have sold them slowly 1 at a time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Preppie said: Do you want 18 sealed choplifter carts? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atari-800-600-400-Computer-Cartridge-Choplifter-18-New-Sealed-Vintage-Stock/254794406341?hash=item3b52ee19c5:g:ZggAAOSwACpfxTTi Yes, but only the XE/XEGS version (grey carts with blue packages). Then sell each one for 100 USD a piece... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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