GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I've downloaded the source files, thank you Mr. Beery, and my next step is to read the txt files that accompany it and then get it installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 So I'm not sure what or if geneve has a MEM or size command, but I'm trying to figure out how much ram I have. It looks like forth, from what I can tell, needs a ramdisk and my floppy isn't big enough. So I'm setting up an autoexec.bat with a ramdisk size of 360 and I'm getting an error, not enough ram. But it does like a size of 180, but I think my floppy is already that size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Is this normal, here is my autoexec but for some reason the command, "ASSIGN" isn't being read. But at the command line I can enter, Assign and it works. BTW, I changed my ramdisk back to 180. Edited March 14, 2021 by GDMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, GDMike said: So I'm not sure what or if geneve has a MEM or size command. chkdsk What is that character after the A of ASSIGN? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Are you using SaveFile (SF) with EDIT? It compresses the files with a simple algorithm. You must use SaveLine to save files readable by any other program. This is also indicated in the documentation. (OFF doesn't show the same compression but the algorithm might ignore for end of line.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 Ahhh..I was using SA in my"EDITOR" program when I did a save. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 33 minutes ago, mizapf said: chkdsk What is that character after the A of ASSIGN? This was corrected after ending my edit autoexec with a SL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, GDMike said: Chkdsk Of course... right on. Edited March 14, 2021 by GDMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) This is what I. Looking for... I don't have a hard drive, I have a tipi but can't get to it.lol So I guess this is my only option Edited March 14, 2021 by GDMike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Words oh my... I've reached the melting pot..nice VID_20210314_173913745.mp4 Edited March 14, 2021 by GDMike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 Ill probably work on building a manual of commands in word. Plus I'm still trying to edit a screen but I'm not seeing an editor yet. Seems to be a command FLOAD that stops forth from booting up, as it hangs with FLOAD? But the manual says it can be REMd out with a "/" but without an editor... anyway, I need a good reference manual to get printed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, GDMike said: But the manual says it can be REMd out with a "/" I would think that is \ . / is “divide”. ...lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) My Slash is backwards..lol ..yes, it's supposed to be a remark statement... But im not finding an editor to rem out the FLOAD operation. And 3 list gives me 40 x 16 "?" Question Marks., I suppose that's why the error. As if the screen file is blank. Im thinking the screen file is corrupt possibly. But I'm actually not too concerned with that, as I need to get a booklet printed out. So I'm having to pull pieces of DV80 text data and push it to my word application...I'm finding stuff splattered over 10+ dv80 files all which are part of the help program that I can't reach with a floppy only system. Edited March 14, 2021 by GDMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) VID_20210314_181505090.mp4 I found this article. Talking about 9640 Forth and a Forth +. I've got the 9640 Forth version I suppose ..so where is Forth+? Mr. Sullivan can you chime in. Mike McCann wanted to port his Forth software to the Geneve and asked me if I knew of any compiler for the Geneve. I recommended Lutz Winkler's package, but he wanted something that would run in native mode and not GPL. I put him together with Paul Charlton, but they couldn't come to terms on royalties. Mike ended up writing his own Forth package called 9640 Forth. After he had ported his own software, he offered the package for sale and I bought as soon as it was available. I used 9640 Forth exclusively until I started noticing messages on Delphi from Bill Sullivan. It seemed that he was writing a Forth compiler for the Geneve. It was called MMS Forth for Memory Management System. I got a copy from Bill as soon as I could and have been using it for sometime now. I have a couple of big applications that I've been working on for years, and if I live long enough they might get finished. Bill has revised his package a couple of times and it is now called Forth+. It is without a doubt, hands down, the most total programming environment that the Geneve has ever seen. It is probably also the last major Forth effort that the Geneve world will ever see. So, yes, there is a Forth compiler for the TI and Geneve. Edited March 15, 2021 by GDMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TheBF Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, GDMike said: Ill probably work on building a manual of commands in word. Plus I'm still trying to edit a screen but I'm not seeing an editor yet. Seems to be a command FLOAD that stops forth from booting up, as it hangs with FLOAD? But the manual says it can be REMd out with a "/" but without an editor... anyway, I need a good reference manual to get printed out. Before ANS/ISO Forth FLOAD was commonly a command to "load" a file. (IE: FILE LOAD) Usage was typically FLOAD <PATH> kind of thing. So maybe FLOAD DSK1.MYCODE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TheBF Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, GDMike said: Words oh my... I've reached the melting pot..nice VID_20210314_173913745.mp4 Base on the words I see there , it looks like a modified/expanded Fig Forth dialect. So FbForth/TI Forth similar. Of course any similarities could be purely coincidental. If you've seen one Forth you've seen ... one Forth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) Well apparently there's been a couple versions and this was like stretched from TI Forth I believe. But the book said that it was file based and not sector-based or whatever it is I forgot the name now. And there was another product called forth plus that's mysteriously disappeared that had bells and whistles of a good product. Guess this is the only version we have which I'm not down playing it it's just the fact that there was something at one time that was performing. Well I still got to find an editor for this thing and I guess the screen they call it screens instead of blocks but the screens file might be corrupted or something cuz I all I get is question ????? when I do one list or two list , but those question marks are in a 40X16 matrix.. Edited March 15, 2021 by GDMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) Maybe I should put a tiforth screens file on my source disk. Edited March 15, 2021 by GDMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Regarding Forth+ Here's an old post On 10/28/2020 at 6:32 PM, Ksarul said: There are two versions of Forth that run on the Geneve. One is by Mike McCann (and used with The Printer's Apprentice, The Geometer's Apprentice, and HQ Stacks), the other is Forth+ by Bill Sullivan. It was a further development of Mike's version, IIRC, and Mike's was a further development of TI Forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOME AUTOMATION Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 hours ago, GDMike said: Mr. Sullivan can you chime in. No, no... You've got to be formal/pushy ...Like this, @Bill Sullivan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 11 hours ago, HOME AUTOMATION said: No, no... You've got to be formal/pushy ...Like this, @Bill Sullivan We sure would like to see your, uh, package, that is FORTH+, @BILLSULLIVAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 11 hours ago, HOME AUTOMATION said: No, no... You've got to be formal/pushy ...Like this, @Bill Sullivan We sure would like to see your, uh, package, that is FORTH+, @BILLSULLIVAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Using the word MEMORY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 This manual talks a lot about forth+.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDMike Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) So I blew away that version of forth for geneve, and I went back to@Beerys9640 files and I didn't see it anymore, but I found this version instead. The three files are FORTH FORTHIMAGE SCRNS It booted to this screen And I can do a 1 LIST, unlike the other version, but "WORDS" is an invalid word.. and so is EDIT. I'm looking through the screens to see what I can see. Edited March 15, 2021 by GDMike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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