AtariNostalgia Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Is there a way to see it without trying it on every single TV? I have a few CRT with a SCART connection. A friend of mine has a Beeb that he says has an RGB to SCART connection, would that be a good test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Can someone suggest a TV or Monitor that has RGB (pal REGION)? Edited March 19, 2021 by AtariNostalgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick99 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 SCART is RGB, but the question is if you need a special frequency like Geneve or Amiga has? If you have the manual to the CRT's you might find the answer there. I use a LCD TV from the brand SKANTIC with my Geneve (connected via the SCART), it works perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 Thanks. I didn't know SCART was RGB as I use my Atari ST with a SCART connection but it refuses the BBC Micro's RGB SCART connection. I thought you could use SCART for composite as well, like on a Commodore 64 with SCART. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 SCART is... complicated. It can do several different things. I've heard that not all displays with SCART inputs will accept RGB. I've never owned a display with SCART inputs myself, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 I want to buy a PAL TI, but I need to know If my CRT's work with RGB. A friend is bringing over a Zx Spectrum +3 that he uses a SCART to RGB on his TV, hopefully I'll have good news soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) I'm using this monitor/TV: https://www.samsung.com/de/support/model/LE19B450C4WXZG/ with my Geneve; I also attached my good old TI console (PAL) to it, and it worked perfectly. The problem may be how to find it; maybe ebay. See Edited March 19, 2021 by mizapf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelpedant Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 If you're testing whether a PAL display with SCART input supports RGB specifically (and don't have any evidence which would tell you otherwise), just make sure you're using a test source that only puts sync on the sync pin. The potential for confusion lies in the fact that the SCART sync pin doubles as a Composite pin and both signals are carried by the same connector. So a source can in effect provide both Composite and RGB colour on the same connector at the same time with the decision on whether to use Composite or RGB colour information being a decision left to the display. Using a source like a Mega Drive or Master System that has a dedicated "clean sync" pin separate from its composite pin would be an option, if you don't have a machine you happen to know doesn't output Composite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 samsung 910mp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) Well, it's official. None of my TV/Monitors accept an RGB input. My friend came over with a spectrum +3 with an RGB to SCART connection, we tried it on all 3 monitors, none could display the RGB signal. Now the hunt starts for a new TV or Monitor, starting with the one Greg suggested. I have a feeling it wont be easy to find one... Edited March 20, 2021 by AtariNostalgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmop69 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, AtariNostalgia said: Well, it's official. None of my TV/Monitors accept an RGB input. My friend came over with a spectrum +3 with an RGB to SCART connection, we tried it on all 3 monitors, none could display the RGB signal. Now the hunt starts for a new TV or Monitor, starting with the one Greg suggested. I have a feeling it wont be easy to find one... Why not using the OSSC Converter (you can find it on Amazon) and connect to a normal HDMI LCD TV/Monitor? It can multiply up to x5 the 240p input for a crisp image. No lag added. A ton of settings to play with (for scanlines, etc.). It has components/scart/vga input to use also with other retro computer/consoles (eg. Amiga). Just a couple of images on a LG monitor as example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 That looks good, do you have a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 Does it accept composite as an input? How would I connect to it in order for it to output VGA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmop69 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, AtariNostalgia said: That looks good, do you have a link? This is on Amazon for Italy (OSSC Kaico), but there are various version/producers, since is an open source project. The wiki page with the infos: OSSC - Classic Console Upscaler wiki (junkerhq.net). It accepts component, not composite. So you need a PAL TI99. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmusr Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 https://kaicolabs.com/ looks like a company interested in retro computer products, and they seem to have an HDMI license judging from the stuff they sell. Maybe an idea for the F18A MK2? ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelpedant Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 hours ago, AtariNostalgia said: Does it accept composite as an input? How would I connect to it in order for it to output VGA? The OSSC does not support Composite Input (only RGB and YPbPr - and it outputs digital rather than analogue). Good for folks with an F18A (in which context I use one myself). Also good for folks with a PAL TI-99 and a YPbPr cable, since those signals are available from the PAL chip. RetroTINK is the competing product which supports Composite and outputs digital, for what it's worth. Though it's a much more niche application in the present day, one product that specifically does both 15KHz Composite to 31KHz RGBHV (VGA) and 15KHz YPbPr to 31KHz RGBHV (VGA) is the Extron DVS304. And I've used it for those purposes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Will the color monitor of the Amstrad CPC464 work in RGB mode with a PAL TI? If so, what kind of cable do I need. Someone is selling his CPC464 color monitor. Edited March 22, 2021 by AtariNostalgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 If my memories are still good, the CPC464 monitor has proprietary connections made specifically only for that computer model. Probably you can use it with an adaptator like this: https://www.ebay.it/itm/AMSTRAD-CTM-644-RGB-COLOUR-CPC-MONITOR-SCART-ADAPTER-CABLE-/390344578694 But to be honest I have no experience and never tried TI99 with that monitor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNostalgia Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 Would that scart interface work with your RGB mod scart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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