Cobra Kai Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 This game seems to have gotten some more work put into it than other Activision titles that were brought from the 2600 to the 5200. The land has actual detail to it, with the banks of the river and hills in the background. I know the Hot Air Balloons are new, but it's been so long since I spent time with the old 2600 game, off the top of my head the Bridge Tank is new as well? I don't know all the differences, I just know I love playing this way better than I did the original because the graphics are quite a bit better. The sound seems exactly the same though, with no discernable upgrade there. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I haven't played River Raid in a LONG TIME but yes the A8/5200 version really was superior and more challenging than its OG 2600 counterpart was. Shooting helicopters, tanks that fired surface-to-air (?) missiles at your plane, and balloons and more-detailed shorelines make the 5200 version stand out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegamezmaster Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Love River Raid on every system I've played it on. Never gets old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundGammon Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 It's fun to take a tank out while it's crossing the bridge! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ryan Witmer Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 This is my favorite 5200 game. It gets plenty of love from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share Posted May 1, 2022 I suppose what spurred me to make this topic was that I've always been annoyed at the flippant comment and assumptions that 5200 Activision games were lazy 2600 ports. River Raid is clearly an example that this isn't the case. This is a topic that probably deserves it's own thread, is Activision's reputation on the 5200, of being lazy ports, is that deserved? I'm not convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DamonicFury Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 River Raid was ported to the 400/800 by Carol Shaw herself, so I think that had a lot to do with it being such a superior port. (I'm not sure if she did the 400/800 to 5200 conversion, but that was a much smaller programming job by comparison, of course.) Clearly, she was willing to build on her 2600 work and make a great game even better. Most of the other porters were probably much more reluctant to change much about another programmer's design. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Black Falcon Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Nobody yet has mentioned that 5200 River Raid has fully analog left/right movement controls, quite unlike its 2600 predecessor. It's pretty awesome and makes this version quite distinct from the 2600 version. At first glance it looks like a lazy, barely-altered port, apart from minor graphical enhancements and such, but there's some pretty cool stuff added to this version, and I think that the analog controls are my favorite change. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edladdin Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I owned a 5200 as a teenager, but never got to try the port of River Raid in those days. It looked very similar to the 2600 version I'd already known and loved for years, and so my precious video game budget was going to be spent on new games rather than upgrades. In the collector/adult era, I have found it very difficult to play with the CX-52s, though I am sure I could get used to that with practice and orientation, just like playing Pac-Man became second nature even without a self-centering stick. All of that said, just a few nights ago I tried River Raid with our new Super 52 controller prototype and had the best game I'd ever played, so I think this is a game I will be going back to on a regular basis with the new controller. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundGammon Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Nukey Shay did an awesome hack of River Raid for the 2600: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 16 hours ago, A Black Falcon said: Nobody yet has mentioned that 5200 River Raid has fully analog left/right movement controls, quite unlike its 2600 predecessor. It's pretty awesome and makes this version quite distinct from the 2600 version. At first glance it looks like a lazy, barely-altered port, apart from minor graphical enhancements and such, but there's some pretty cool stuff added to this version, and I think that the analog controls are my favorite change. This begs the question of why an analog joystick was never made for the 400/800 line? There's absolutely nothing stopping it (as paddles prove). Then we can start back porting from 5200 to 400/800 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMaddog Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 17 hours ago, A Black Falcon said: Nobody yet has mentioned that 5200 River Raid has fully analog left/right movement controls, quite unlike its 2600 predecessor. It's pretty awesome and makes this version quite distinct from the 2600 version. At first glance it looks like a lazy, barely-altered port, apart from minor graphical enhancements and such, but there's some pretty cool stuff added to this version, and I think that the analog controls are my favorite change. Are there other Activision games on the 5200 that benefit from full analog controls (as oppose to just using a "digital" joystick), I think Dreadnaught Factor & Kaboom come to mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_q_atari Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Stephen said: Then we can start back porting from 5200 to 400/800 You're bad! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, MrMaddog said: Are there other Activision games on the 5200 that benefit from full analog controls (as oppose to just using a "digital" joystick), I think Dreadnaught Factor & Kaboom come to mind... Well, Kaboom uses the paddles so it's analog (and I much prefer paddles to joysticks for Breakout / Kaboom style games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuzaxeman Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/2/2022 at 9:02 PM, A Black Falcon said: Nobody yet has mentioned that 5200 River Raid has fully analog left/right movement controls, quite unlike its 2600 predecessor. It's pretty awesome and makes this version quite distinct from the 2600 version. At first glance it looks like a lazy, barely-altered port, apart from minor graphical enhancements and such, but there's some pretty cool stuff added to this version, and I think that the analog controls are my favorite change. The analog controls make all the difference in the world in playability. 5200 River Raid is a gem. It's why in 2022 my 5200 gets more play than my 8bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuzaxeman Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 17 hours ago, Stephen said: Well, Kaboom uses the paddles so it's analog (and I much prefer paddles to joysticks for Breakout / Kaboom style games). Kaboom and Super Breakout have amazing controls on the analog sticks. It's more precise for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuzaxeman Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 18 hours ago, MrMaddog said: Are there other Activision games on the 5200 that benefit from full analog controls (as oppose to just using a "digital" joystick), I think Dreadnaught Factor & Kaboom come to mind... I think Megamania and Beamrider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 12:52 PM, SoundGammon said: Nukey Shay did an awesome hack of River Raid for the 2600: What. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) On 5/3/2022 at 11:26 AM, Stephen said: This begs the question of why an analog joystick was never made for the 400/800 line? There's absolutely nothing stopping it (as paddles prove). Then we can start back porting from 5200 to 400/800 @Stephen this was why I was SO caught in between the XEGS or the 5200 as for my 8-bit Atari console of choice was because if we DID back port every game that would've (and should've) included Tempest and all the Mean Hamster titles as well, not having Keithen Hayenga's masterpiece of a port for the XEGS was the difference maker in my choosing Big Sexy over the XEGS, and I still have no regrets, plus, YOU of all people were SO much against converting from A8-to-5200 or vice versa, now you figure on doing them whoa where was this when I was doing The Atari Report months ago??? Edited May 5, 2022 by BIGHMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMaddog Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Well I've learned something from my little experiment...the non-centering 5200 joysticks are entirely different from what Altirra tries to emulate (Using Relative instead of Absolute). I kept crashing into the walls in River Raid so I just set it back to using the good ol' "one speed & eight direction" method. This is using an analog thumbstick on an Xbox controler so it still has thast feel...and I'm sorry not not having any working hardware to use instead. To be quite honest, 5200 games are primary Atari 800 ports with the controls needed rework of course. I'm sure a programmer at Activision would take advantage of the analog nature of the controllers instead of just slapping static coordinates to simulate a 2600 joystick, but that's more of an exception than the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/2/2022 at 9:02 PM, A Black Falcon said: ...and I think that the analog controls are my favorite change. This. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knievel1 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Is there a better version of River Raid than 5200? Better than Coleco for me & I agree about Megamania & Beamrider as well as HERO & Keystone Kapers being superior. Currently doing River Raid longplay, just to see what deep game is like around the 800th bridge..... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted May 26, 2022 Author Share Posted May 26, 2022 Dang, I thought I had a good game the other day at bridge 30! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MarcoJ Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 This is the first video game I ever played. Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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